Michael Moore and socialized medicine

[NeBlis]

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I think it's pretty obvious that most on the anti-socialized health care side have zero interest in even examining the health care systems of any other countries, to see if they contain anything of merit that could be incorporated into the US system.

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I can say for myself that I have examined it and its a horrendous boondoggle in every case I know of. Feel free to prove me wrong, I'm open to ideas.

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Right now, there are many other wealthy countries providing socialized health care. Many of them spend far less per capita than the US on healthcare, and the health of their citizens is better than the US by every statistical measure. All the nightmare scenarios mentioned that would cause the US system to collapse if socialized, have somehow managed to be overcome in these other countries.


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You must be looking at some other studies than I have seen. In addition to reading on the subject I have also been to many of these countries and somehow never run into these happy citizens quoted in the previous posts. Most of the people I have met or know from socialized countries absolutely hate the medical.

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Americans do not like taking money they earn, and giving it to someone else unless they choose to do so. Period. It is simply not our way.

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Yeah its funny how most people don't like muggers to much either.

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Other countries see the taxation as a worthwhile cost if it provides everyone (including themselves, should they ever need it) a safety net and an equal level of health care.


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I will keep saying this till I'm blue in the face. Everyone has a right to equal opportunity. Any system should take this as its primary concern. Given a system where equal opportunity is the norm people who are truly incapable of helping themselves should be helped. These totally incapable people are extremely rare. As for those who are capable but just wont care for themselves well .... we are better off without them.

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It also has to do with the culture of consumption and materialism in the US. In a country like Sweden even the richest citizens tend to live in relatively modest homes.

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I somewhat agree, but I'm not sure how you propose to change the culture of living beyond your means without some sort of massive redistribution / reeducation campaign. Also I feel that if that is how people choose to live they should be allowed to do so unless they are harming others.


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"We have no working poor. There are no kids living in cars with no child care. We pay high taxes for it. But in the end, how much money do you need?"


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you are entitled to what you create and you are entitled to keep as much as you want without someone stealing your creations at the point of a gun. The idea of "working poor" is a freaking joke there are only "not working enough poor".

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just obscures the real issue, which is that Americans prize self-reliance over collectivism and just DO NOT LIKE being taxed.


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Not all Americans only the smartest most reasonable ones.