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Old 06-01-2007, 07:12 AM
kerr kerr is offline
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Default Re: Question on raising/\"one chip rule\"

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However, while I accept this to be the rule, I am not sure that this is standard across most cardrooms. Robert's Rule 14-11 states: If a player tries to bet or raise less than the legal minimum and has more chips, the wager must be increased to the proper size. The wager is brought up to the sufficient amount only, no greater size. Does this not imply that if P3 put in a 5 and two 1s that this should be deemed a raise to $10, at odds with Brettski's 50% rule?

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The only comment I would make about Robert's Rules in this matter is that this is not what we do at Crown (yes, it appears that what he's saying conflicts with our 50% rule). I guess that if, under those rules, I bet $1,000 and my opponent makes the bet $1,001, he would have to make the bet up to $2,000. [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

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I knew I'd regret not posting the entire Rule 14-11 from Robert's Rules:

If a player tries to bet or raise less than the legal minimum and has more chips, the wager must be increased to the proper size. (This does not apply to a player who has unintentionally (?????) put too much in to call.) The wager is brought up to the sufficient amount only, no greater size

I had left out the part in bold. Personally I can't agree with this part of the rule, or in fact, any part of the rule. Who determines what the player's intention was? How can we be sure that a player won't angleshoot, such that when the dealer asks the player what his intention was with an ambiguous bet (if such a thing exists), given he's had a few seconds to sum up the situation, he might say "Yeah I'm raising" or "Oops it's just a call". This ambiguity is unacceptable.

If a bet is $500 and I mean to call but accidentally throw out 6x$100 because two chips are stuck together, I shouldn't need to be asked what my intention was. There is no room for trust at the poker table, only rules. And I don't believe I should be forced to raise to $1000 either. I like Brett's 50% rule, it's the rule I play by, it makes sense to me, but I'd be interested to hear others' opinions.
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