Ram Vaswani speaks about that 'Golf Game'.

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Also, the whole "anything goes when gambling in golf" thing is fine, whatever. If somebody who is not familiar with the "whatever goes" attitude to golf gambling is being hustled by a hustler and doesn't pay, it's sort of up to the person who "goes by those rules" to get him to pay.

No matter how big of a hustler you are, and how big of a fish you feel you are playing, if your con has been setup so that the fish will not pay you if he finds out about your con, you are no longer the hustler, you are the hustled. That's the way of the game of hustling, no?

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Exactly, if you play by PI rules than I see no reason for RV to pay. Everything goes in the game of Hustle.

Anyway I think this whole thing is terrible for the image of poker and is going to cause a rift between the old and new players. I hope Ivey and Ram come to an arrangement that involves a reduction in what is expected to be paid and that they can both put it down as a mistake and move on.

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You see no reason to pay? You guys are taking the logic a step further than some people, but not far enough, and you have no excuse. Many posters in this thread have already explained it to you. Fine, RV not paying means he is the hustler and PI is the hustled...but that isn't going to happen. He has no reason to pay? Of course he has a reason to pay! You are going to have to make the argument that him the 2 million he owes is worth more than he will lose by not paying, and I think you are going to have a hard time making that argument. He will lose all action for a long time, and clearly, he craves action. He will lose integrity, which may or may not be worth a lot to him. And he may also lose physical health, although I have no idea if that would happen and am in no way implying PI or his partners are 'that type of people.'