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Old 03-13-2007, 05:00 PM
Brad1970 Brad1970 is offline
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Default Re: Misplayed AK out of position

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Brad,

You're missing the whole point.

EVERY decision is a pots odds decision. In the "rock garden" example you cite, I imagine everyone here agrees with you that it is correct to fold. But it's important to think about why you are folding in correct terms. You fold there, and not, say, in the original post, because the combined odds of catching a better card on the turn, catching a better card on the river (if the turn checks through), or showing down the best hand on the river (somehow) do not combine to be a significant enough probability to merit investing a bet, given the current pot size.

Thinking in terms of platitudes like "why draw against a made hand?" is very dangerous. I've seen many poor players spout that kind of line when they fold solid drawing hands (like flush draws on the turn) when it is very incorrect to do so. (The same poor players, in fact, who peel gutshots on the flop indiscriminately). Every situation is relative, and the key variable in almost every poker decision is pot size.

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I agree that poker is a situational game but to me pot odds is not the only driving force in whether to bet, call, or fold. I try to play the player as much if not more than the odds. Sorry if I don't play the way you do. FWIW, I don't ever recall folding a flush draw on the turn or chasing a gutshot.
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