Phil Ivey Gossip

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A follow-up question to Blair and the others in the nothing untoward happened here crowd:

It seems to me the crux of the issue is, "can you, under golf gambling rules, tell an outright lie during the negotiations."

As an example, I'll use a hustle we have all heard before. I go up to Tiger and tell him and can outdrive him - my 9 iron to his driver. He agrees. He drives the ball 300 yards. I turn around and hit my 9 iron a mile down the road that leads away from the course. Fair hustle ... we never agreed that I had to hit it into the fairway or the range.

Now, let's say that Tiger says, "I agree, so long as you hit the ball in the fairway or onto the range." I agree. He hits his drive, and then I turn around hit it down the road. When I tell him to pay up he tells me that we agreed that I would hit it in the fairway. I say, tough, I lied ... that's part of golf gambling rules.

I believe that was where the poster's shooting you in the leg argument comes from. To frame the issue, we can all agree I can't shoot you in the leg, break all your clubs, run you over with the cart. And, we can all agree that you can say that you haven't been playing too well lately, or perhaps that "my game has been down." But, can I actually tell a bold-faced lie?

Finally, let's say I come into Vegas and set up a game. The folks ask what my handicap is and I tell them I am a bogey golfer, when in fact I am a scratch golfer (hypothetical ... I was a 13 at the best time in my life). They can choose not to believe me and not wager on the round, and they might insist on calling a buddy or something. But they don't, they give me 12 strokes, and I win 16 holes for 800K. Are you going to tell them that it was their fault for taking the bet? What are the chances of me not having my legs broken, let alone getting paid? I am guessing not good.

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