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Villian thought for his entire time bank and mucked it.

Cuz he plays good.

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If it's correct for villain to fold here with TPTK or an overpair or other strong hands, then you must be a nit generally and you must almost never make plays like this. If you make this play more often than almost-never then it's incorrect for villain to fold a strong hand and he played bad.

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As I said before this PARTICULAR SPOT has very little to do with Degen's hand or even his image. Degen's turn move all comes down to the meaning of Villain's gaybets.


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No it doesn't. If his gaybets mean AJ/KJ/overpair or other moderately strong hands then knowing this is irrelevant if he won't ever fold these type of hands. And if he WILL fold them, and Degen WILL make this move with the equivalent of air here even semi-often, then folding to the push is bad, contrary to Degens claim that villain folded cause he plays good. Because A) his gay bets gave the strength of his hand away, and B) because he folded in a spot where he could easily have the best hand he therefore doesn't play good. So I'm not saying the play itself is necessarilly bad, but if it's good it's only because your opponent is making an easily exploitable mistake, not because he's good.

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Bad opponents won't lay down a hand.

Good opponents will.

Top-notch opponents will trap somebody they think raised with 66 preflop by gaybetting twice then calling the turn bluff w TPGK. But Degen said nothing about top-notch. And then he'll get paid off many times as well when he has a hand.

I don't really want to get into optimal bluff frequency here. See Theory of Poker.