meh, i hate this spot...

[Surf]

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Easy flop fold with bad relative position. The odds are that someone has made a better pair and even if they haven't they will draw out on you a very large part of the time. Hero's implied odds are a disaster because of his terrible position and because the underpair will lose bigger pots than it wins.

Just to test my intuition I simulated this with PokerStove.

PFR range: top 16%
Limper range: 11th percentile through 45th percentile (this excludes hands he would probably open-raise)

The PFR has 39% equity, the limper has 37%, and Hero has 24%. Ouch.

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Hey Stellar,

Thanks for the analysis. 2 things that I think change it are that 1) I like my relative position since I can face the 3rd player with 2 cold (he's not an all-out fish, just a bit too loose and too passive, I don't think he'll call a flop raise with a gutshot, say) and leave myself HU with the pfr often.

Also, the pfr was quite aggressive and if I had to estimate i'd say he's probably raising somewhere between 25-37% of his hands here, which changes the equity calcs substantially. When we get it HU with the pfr our equity is quite good, according to my pokerstove #s.

Surf