Allin every time right?

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Again, we have proven mathematically that button folding is EV neutral. I don't see why this is still being argued.


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I thought I had shown twice that the button folding vs. calling is not EV neutral. Your calculations missed the $15 side-pot that we have approximately an 82% chance of winning if the button wins the hand. Tell me what I'm doing wrong.

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Where do you get the impression that I think you are arguing for calling?


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In your response to me, you said:

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And what about the case in which post-flop, only the person who beats you continues with the hand?

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Nobody can decide not to continue the hand post-flop if we are all-in. So you must have thought I just called pre-flop.

I don't mean to be argumentative. I assert my understanding of the situation hoping that it will be corrected if it is lacking, which should hopefully improve the way I play poker. Your example with the button having only 3 cents behind did shed some light on this for me. I was thinking about the situation as if there had been no previous betting. (even though that's obviously not the case). For instance, if I open-raise my AA all-in from UTG, I want callers. That's where my mind was.

It's clear to me now that the dead money that the button leaves behind if he folds increases the EV for us when he folds. In this particular case though, I still don't think that it's enough to make his fold better for us than his call.