Allin every time right?

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My point is that if they fold, great. We've just increased our chances of winning in a big pot. If they come along, great. Now we have all our money in with the best hand.


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Missed this post.

This is where your logic breaks down. Having more players coming along is pure +EV for us. Why be content with pushing and probably folding everyone out when you can have more?

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Oh really? More people is more EV? Let me give you an example.

Say Villains have KK and QQ. What is our EV?

Below winning % are from pokerstove.

As played, we have a 67% chance of winning $67.55. So our EV is $45.26.

If button folds to our all-in, and UTG+2 calls, we have a 82% chance of winning $55.25. So our EV is $45.31.

So in this plausible scenario, it is EV neutral. Except for one thing. By calling, we allow Villains to get away from their hands when an A falls. We're also putting in more money post-flop, when we could be behind to a flopped set, such as when a K or Q falls.

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You need to protect any hand you have. Why are you even raising AA in the first place, if the more the merrier is true? How many players do you find is the "merriest" to play pocket aces against? One? Two? Four? Six?

Against 5 players, AA is a dog to the entire field.




[/ QUOTE ]Because the pot is so big compared to stacks already, people don't have the implied odds to call with anything. Therefore they would be making a mistake to call, therefore you should give them every to do so. I think the only question here is whether calling or raising is better to do so, and I think calling is.

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If you read one of my above posts, we DID give the button implied odds to call and play for set value. Button was getting 5-1 immediate odds, and 10-1 implied odds. Add that to the fact that he has to consider that his hand might be best already (KK for example), and he makes this call every time, and is correct in doing so.


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And 6-handed AA might be less than 50% to win the pot, but you have SIX PLAYERS MONEY in the pot! It's definitely a higher variance play which will lose money the majority of the time (hence my comment about stomaching variance) but if you can't see how this is a hugely +EV situation then I can't help you.

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It is +EV if you PUSH PREFLOP. Are you advocating that you should Limp AA if 5 people in front of you have limped in?