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Old 05-30-2006, 07:07 PM
Sykes Sykes is offline
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Default Re: 2005 U.S. Poker Championship

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Does Brian Haveson know how to play poker? How do you lose 400BB with one pair (KK vs AA)?

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I'm pretty sure John Juanda knows how to play poker, yet your criticism would apply to him as well. The fact is, it was a good flop for both hands so they got all their money in. You can't win a tournament playing like a mouse.

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wtf is a mouse?

You really expect me to believe that Juanda plays QQ/AK/JJ like this? Please.. give me a break.

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Your original contention was how do you lose that much with one pair. My point is Juanda was risking the same (actually even more, since Haveson had him covered) with "just one pair". Or do you make that big a distinction between AA and KK? If so, then should Juanda have folded if he was holding KK instead of AA?

Anyway, your opponent checks to you on a flop of TT9 and you're holding KK, you check behind and let him outdraw you? No, you protect your hand because the pot has already gotten very big because of the preflop action, and the only hands you realistically have to worry about are AA and 99. And because Juanda didn't put in the last raise, AA seems even less likely. And you may even get called with QQ or JJ and double up. But even if your opponent folds, you still win a big pot.

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AA is very different than KK. Especially the way the hand played, I think Haveson could have play his hand differently.

Honestly, if I have KK on a TT9 flop with all the action preflop, I would honestly check behind Juanda. Seriously, I don't think Juanda calls Haveson's 3rd raise with JJ/AK and maybe does he with QQ, so the other 2 hands are KK/AA. Haveson is tying with the other KK, is far behind AA, and is far ahead of QQ. So what card do we not want to see on the turn? a Q?

Seriously, the way Haveson played his hand, it seemed like, "OMG, KK, all-in!!!!!!!!"
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