I took a flop with 86 soooted (6.5)

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A) Why not raise pre on the button? The thing I hate about playing so passively on the button pre is that the times we flop a draw, it's hard to take an aggressive line that looks consistent with our pre-flop play... So now you're setting yourself up to make a bunch of calls and hope to get there with what probably won't be anything close to the nuts if you do.


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I should elaborate on this because I'm not saying that if you limp in you should always call the flop and never raise or anything. But consider that most flops that someone bets at you on are going to contain over cards that they probably paired so I don't think your FE is that high... I mean whatever line you take postflop, I can see a lot of chips going in the pot while you're drawing to a small flush and I don't really think your hand is going to be greatly disguised since you just limped preflop.

I know I'm just spewing thoughts at this point and should probably take more time to condense them and whatnot... but I think the implied odds in this type of hands really differ from the implied odds of say 66, which is a hand I WOULD limp with here. With 66, you have a really easy way of telling whether you should put a bunch of chips in on the flop. With a hand like 86s I think your implied odds come from being able to play post-flop like you don't have a flush draw or like you don't have a straight draw on a board of 379. So that way when you hit either of your draws your "villain" has a hard time putting you on 86s. So really, that entire approach of hand disguising stars with raising PF I think.

Plus you get the added advantages of being able to take the pot PF and being able to c-bet and take the pot.