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Old 01-08-2006, 06:59 PM
Chris Alger Chris Alger is offline
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Default Re: What About Israel Murdering The Wrong Guys?

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I'm just so curious to why you think the arabs are free of blame. Thye massacred, raped and ethnically cleansed jews, but i wouldn't expect you to mention that. Neither would you note that the arabs wanted a one state-solution that would probably ethnically oppress and cleanse the jews.

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1. I think "the Arabs" are free of blame for the same reason I think "the Jews" are free of blame. These terms are meaningless and dangerous abstractations. The significant decisions were made by a relative handful of people acting under considerable pressure who tended to do what they think they had to for the greater good, however short-sighted, misguided or mistaken they were or have been judged to be. Whether long-dead leaders should be judged morally culpable doesn't interest me. My point in highlighting atrocities committed by Israel's founders is in rebuttal to the claim that it never happened, so that people should assume that Palestinian animosity toward Israel results from irratinal prejudice. My interest is in figuring out what happened to get us where we are today in the hopes that this will shed some light on how best to fix it. Speculating about what bad things the Palestinians or other Arab states would have done had they "won" is equally pointless.

2. Your claim that the Arabs "initiated" the conflict is silly given Zionist goals and ideology. The whole point to the enterprise was to import settlers to build the institutions necessary for a national Jewish homeland on the homeland of others. By the 1930's the consensus among the Yishuv's leaders was that this required displacing much of the Arab population and replacing it with a state and national institutions run by and for Jews. How could any rational Arab in Palestine could view this as anything other than a threat? Your argument that "the Arabs" started the conflict is absurd. Your implication that the Palestinians therefore deserved what they got is sadistic.
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