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Old 04-17-2006, 08:30 PM
DonkNitUP DonkNitUP is offline
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Default Re: God and Free Will

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God clearly cant be all knowing yet still give free will. Before you were born, not even having set a foot on this Eath God knows ur future if he is all knowing. How is this free will? It is.

Also, God is all good, right? Well before you set a foot on this earth he also knows if you are going to heaven or hell (since he is all knowing) so basically before you are born, God (as most religious people know Him) knows some people are going to hell. some kind of all-good god that is!

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Have you considered that maybe God knows what the actions of your free will will be? If somebody can genuinely see in to the future and know what will happen to you, this doesn't stop you from making those choices. I don't see why no other theist has mentioned this (well they might have, but I haven't read it yet).

Free will =/= no omni 3 God

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Yes, its been mentioned.

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i think the point still stands that i have mentioned in a previous post. once God has taken ur life u no longer have free will as he has acted upon it

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I think that is stated too strongly. Once God has taken your life, that influences your choices, but doesnt eliminate free will.

Couldnt you just as easily posit "once atheism has taken your life, you have no free will"? I dont see the distinction.

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i meant.. if we assume (and there is for this arguments sake) that there is a God and he takes ur life (noahs arks flood, 10 commandments or at any other point in the Bible where it says God killed someone, then we have to assume there is no free will.
If God is standing on the outside looking in at our choices that is fine. But as soon as he influences our choices (by him killing us) we no longer have a choice. -- Basically I was just saying what i said in a previous post. I know Bunny said we have only so long to make our choices and then God can interact but i think its still not free will if, at any point, he interacts and causes something.
As for if there was no God then the argument wouldnt need to be made, i wouldnt think
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