Should I fold JJ on the bubble here?

[citanul]

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Uh that is top 35%. Not exactly that wide. A case could be made to push more like top 65-70%. 35% seems very reasonable to me. If you want, change it to

33+,ATo+,A2s+,KTo+,K9s+,QJo,Q9s+,JTo,J9s+,T9s (top 20%)

And we are 42.5% to win. Still a super easy call. You can't argue for a fold if you are trying to win $$$ at these. Might as well go play craps for a living if you throw this hand away.

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um...

i'm trying to digest your thoughts slowly for myself here, perhaps i'll go backwards or something.

1) extending from my tiny sample size, having won money playing craps in my life, i could clearly play for a living.

2) i want to win money at these, and do.

3) i can argue anything i want, any time i want.

4) in particular, i can argue for a fold if i wanted to.

5) what are you, high? let's put EVERYONE at the table on a pretty ridiculously tight range, that being TT+, ATs+, AJo+. you know what sngpt says to push utg here then? top 20%. several other ranges for calling standards put the pushing range utg at much closer to 5%, including the built in average and loose settings.

6) others are doing more empirical work on what one should or shouldn't be calling with, in the manner you did your original work earlier in this thread, but using more realistic pushing standards for the utg raiser in particular, and likely for hte sb as well, though i can't remember right now what you had his range on.

7) you've got almost exactly 10 full bets here and you're first to act 4 handed. you're not on the button, you don't have 5 bets, etc.

c