JTs settle a disagreement with DeathDonkey

[StellarWind]

Easy call versus normal opponents at this level. Some observations on the discussion:

1. As long as the pot is large enough to commit the flush draw to seeing the river, the value of a free card does not depend on the amount of money in the pot. The river card is something you must purchase and it is simply a question of how much immediate value it will cost you.

This assumes that taking a free card does not hurt your chances of winning the pot. If allowing the SB to bet the turn would in some way increase your winning chances (e.g. by killing someone's QJ) then a larger pot actually hurts the free card play.

2. It is true that if you call SB will often not bet the turn for you when you hit. Nevertheless, the field is much more likely to call your turn and river bets if you just called the flop. Reopening the betting looks like a bluff and will be called very liberally. Raising the flop and continuing after the flush hits will scare everyone very badly because one way or the other you've obviously got it.

3. Getting reraised will destroy both the odds on your raise and your implied odds. Taking a free card will also hurt your implied odds because it's an obvious tipoff when you hit on the river.

4. An important reason not to raise for a cheap card is you may get a free one. Even if the flush doesn't come there is a very good chance that overcards won't bet again.

5. If Hero had 87o I think there might be a lot of votes for just calling. It's really a pretty similar situation. Your equity is going to dramatically change with the next card. The only major difference is you are rooting for different cards. Preserve your favorable raising position until you know enough to commit to a course of action.