ZeeJustin the next to get caught multi accounting Party MTTs

[El Diablo]

curtains: statements like "ZJ's life is ruined" are ridiculous. Kid is living on easy street. See this post: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...c=1#Post4883879

Lee: I am very disappointed that you do not have a policy to confiscate all funds when you find someone cheating on your site. To think that someone who is willing to cheat in one way is not cheating in other ways (with friends, etc.) is naive. Just because your systems are unable to detect those things does not mean it isn't happening - this is a perfect example of someone not getting caught by your systems. So, given that he cheated without being detected by you, it's quite likely you are still unable to detect all the ways he's cheated. It is very disappointing to not see Stars impose punitive measures on cheaters. I do not like the idea that I can now go cheat/collude on Stars and the only penalty will be that you take back what you can definitively prove that I won by cheating. I am honestly shocked that you did not impose any punitive measures on ZJ. If I were in your spot, I would have confiscated all funds, returned what could be identified to those harmed, and have a freeroll or some other bonus with the rest.

Consider this. Policy 1 - if you cheat, your account will be closed and you can cash out nothing. Policy 2 - if you cheat, we'll figure out how much we think you won directly from cheating, and you can cash out the rest. I agree w/ what many of you have said. Looks like Stars is definitely the +EV place to do your cheating. Lee, I have been a big fan of yours and Stars for a long time. I'm very disappointed in Stars' attitude on this matter, just as I was disappointed in your attitude in the softplaying thread in HNL: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...age=0&vc=1 . I raised a couple of points there that you have yet to respond to. I'm not sure if you truly believe these positions are the best for maintaining the integrity of the game, if you just don't want to admit that the Stars policies have allowed for a lot of systematic shady goings on, or if you just don't want to alienate a lot of your high-volume, high-revenue players who aren't willing to play 100% straight up. I hope you'll reconsider and think about taking a stance more like "Cheating in any form is not tolerated at Stars, and violators will be punished in the harshest possible manner."

Triumph: If David (or anyone else) cheated at Magic, that greatly increases the chances that they cheat at poker as well.

teddy: Excellent explanation of why the Stars response does not adequately take into account the gravity or entirety of this situation.