Player Discussion

[Mark1808]

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(please don't read this as total disrespect and ban me, cause this is how I truely feel)

I think this is a clear case where JJ is ahead of AQ, for MANY of the reasons stated and repeating them is just a waste of time.

I think this comes down to the fact that mason won't admit he's wrong cause he's scared he'll lose credibility as a "poker pro who knows it and is good enough to sell books" cause no one wants to buy books from someone who is "wrong." The truth is everyone is wrong sometimes, and mason just needs to admit it.

As far as the hand goes, I would LOVE to have a poll done of all NL "winning players" and see the % of each AQ vs. JJ. I'm quite confident JJ would be WAY WAY AHEAD.

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In the simple example given JJ is 40-15 against AQ assuming both shut down after the flop. I maintain many times a player will extract value from AQ on the turn and river when they hit the flop. I have been told I am stupid because JJ will commit no more $ to the pot with an over card, so I asked a friend who is a winning player in the Commerce $10 -$20 and $20 - $40 games where you regularly find some of the best NL players is the game. I asked him if he had JJ (after a called reraise) and the the flop came with an over card and he was check called on the flop and checked to on the turn what would he do? Here's what he said.

"Great question. The second continuation bet, on the turn, is one of the toughest decisions of all. It seems if you do make it you win right there about 1/3 of the time. The other 1/3 you call and they call and you are faced with a river decision (much easier.) Or the other 1/3 you get raised.

In your case, with JJ vs. an overcard and position, I would bet again. If he calls and checks the river I would check also."

So I still believe AQ extracts extra EV from JJ turn and river (over and above the 2% of the time J hits turn or river). I can't prove it, and neither can the dissenters, so I will officially stop posting on this thread. Everyone can Paypal me $5 to shut my stupid ass up!! JK, love you guys and your patience! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]