Pocket Fives River play

abrash · #1 03-25-2006, 02:09 PM

Comments?

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
5 folds, MP3 calls, 2 folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (3 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP3 calls, SB calls.

Turn: (3 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP3 checks.

River: (3 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP3 checks.

Final Pot: 3 BB

JoeyFrogs · #2 03-25-2006, 04:21 PM

bet turn (if raised fold)
bet river, call raise

akebono · #3 03-25-2006, 04:26 PM

Grunching . . .

Depends a bit on what you think of MP3 and SB.
I like the flop bet. I think you have to follow up with a turn bet as well though. If both call on the turn, then we do some serious thinking about the river. If I think MP3 and SB are the type to call down with Ax or KJ, then I'll bet the river too.

I bet the turn hoping that MP3 folds and that I can check behind on the river though.

cab4656 · #4 03-25-2006, 11:09 PM

The turn card was pretty good for you. You gotta bet it. Especially if your opponents are fishy. They're calling with overcards, straight draws, middle/bottom pair, random hands like Q7, etc.

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I bet the turn hoping that MP3 folds and that I can check behind on the river though.

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That's how I play the river, too. But if he calls, we have to bet.

imashyboi · #5 03-25-2006, 11:53 PM

I prefer betting out on the Turn and check/call the river.

akebono · #6 03-26-2006, 12:26 AM

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The turn card was pretty good for you. You gotta bet it. Especially if your opponents are fishy. They're calling with overcards, straight draws, middle/bottom pair, random hands like Q7, etc.

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I bet the turn hoping that MP3 folds and that I can check behind on the river though.

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That's how I play the river, too. But if he calls, we have to bet.

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OP didn't give reads but I'd need a pretty specific one to want to bet the river instead of check/call. I think you run into ugly T's way too often.

cab4656 · #7 03-26-2006, 02:03 AM

Check/call, really? This lets him showdown his weak hands and value bet his good ones. I might check call if our opponent is stupidly LAG aggressive. If our opponent is a decent TAG, I'd probably be more willing to check/fold than check/call. If opponent is fishy, I'd bet. I think I rarely check/call in this spot.

akebono · #8 03-26-2006, 03:48 AM

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Check/call, really? This lets him showdown his weak hands and value bet his good ones. I might check call if our opponent is stupidly LAG aggressive. If our opponent is a decent TAG, I'd probably be more willing to check/fold than check/call. If opponent is fishy, I'd bet. I think I rarely check/call in this spot.

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Here's how I see it. From the play, the opponents appear fairly passive. If we bet the turn, passives with air will fold. Passives who have better pocket pairs or the T with a bad kicker may stay in. If we bet the river, I don't think there are any hands that call that don't beat us. If MP3 only holds complete air (the only hand we beat), he'll be caught between checking behind or betting as a bluff. As passive as he's played so far, I expect him to chicken out and check behind more often than bluff. On those odd times that he does muster the stones to bluff, we have to call. If he's not bluffing, he's got a hand that he would've called our river bet with anyway, but we can muck before the rest of the table sees how we played our underpair. (i.e. betting the river folds the hands we beat so no value. Checking through the river will often save us a bet. Inducing a bluff from MP3 closing the action is probably 50/50 between costing us an extra bet or earning us an extra bet. )

Check/Fold I don't like unless I know for a fact that MP3 will only bet a made hand.