TPTK, but it's 3-bet to me on the flop

five4suited · #1 03-23-2006, 12:20 AM

MP3 seems tight and aggressive, button is tight and pretty aggressive and CO is loose and aggressive preflop, a fish.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP3 raises, CO calls, Button calls, 1 fold, Hero calls.

Flop: (8.33 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets, CO raises, Button 3-bets, Hero ???

tigertony · #2 03-23-2006, 12:46 AM

I think that you cap it and lead turn, but I am not sure what your image is with these players.

MP3 may be on a continuation bet, CO could be anywhere which would allow button to use this opportunity to put pressure with any queen-paint or even the same hand as Hero. Call 1 raise on turn and then c/c river.

TheHip41 · #3 03-23-2006, 12:51 AM

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I think that you cap it and lead turn, but I am not sure what your image is with these players.

MP3 may be on a continuation bet, CO could be anywhere which would allow button to use this opportunity to put pressure with any queen-paint or even the same hand as Hero. Call 1 raise on turn and then c/c river.

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Without reads, this is horrible advice. There isn't really a draw to be raising here, unless these sockmonkeys raise on gutshots, but when that guy three bets, you are in some trouble. Readless, this is an easy fold.

That being said, I'd just donk the flop, it's good for your hand.

Also, what are you putting these guys on? There are only two Q left. So PFR has AJ, first raisers has TJs, and the other has QKo? Good luck with this one, cause you will be drawing dead a fair portion here.

last edit: It says button is Tight/aggressive. What hand do TAGs play this way? Just wondering, cause when I 3 bet here, I have AA/KK/AQ/88/55.

JoeyFrogs · #4 03-23-2006, 01:04 AM

I would probably lead out on the flop.

However, given that you did not, I fold this quickly.

I agree with TH41. You say that there are already two aggressive players in the pot. I say at best we are splitting the pot with one of them holding AQ.

After its 3-bet, I have to believe that someone has AA/KK/88/55.

suited aces · #5 03-23-2006, 01:58 AM

This is a really dry board for all of that action. It sucks to lay down tptk on the flop, but this is as good as a spot as any to do it. Unless I'm up against some serious maniacs (which, given your reads, doesn't seem to be the case) I'm folding.

Hobbs. · #6 03-23-2006, 02:32 AM

on such a dry board I would fold.

Sandberg · #7 03-23-2006, 03:42 AM

I think you fold. There are no raising draws here. You describe the button as tight but aggressive. You're up against 88 or 55 alot here as these are both cold calling hands. Do you really think the button is three betting here with KQ or QJ a whole lot? I don't. Two pair doesn't make sense because of the texture of the board. I think capping here is spewing and with this action, a fold is your best bet.

Aces McGee · #8 03-23-2006, 11:45 AM

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on such a dry board I would fold.

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what queen-high boards (other than those that give you a straight or flush draw) are you sticking around on?

-McGee

Hobbs. · #9 03-23-2006, 12:09 PM

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on such a dry board I would fold.

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what queen-high boards (other than those that give you a straight or flush draw) are you sticking around on?

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change the 8 to a 9 or put a flush draw out there. In these cases it adds a bunch of drawing hands to ranges of CO and button and makes continuing with the hand a likely EV+ endeavor.

CybrPunk · #10 03-23-2006, 12:41 PM

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on such a dry board I would fold.

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what queen-high boards (other than those that give you a straight or flush draw) are you sticking around on?

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Boards where your opponents range consist of hands you are beating like straight and flush draws. Building a range of hands that these villains play on this board there isn't much hero is ahead of.