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#21
07-08-2005, 11:15 PM
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Re: Most Overrated Baseball Players of All-Time
Pete Rose. Half the world claims he's the greatest hitter of all the time despite his pedestrian .784 OPS.
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#24
07-09-2005, 01:26 AM
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#25
07-09-2005, 01:44 AM
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Good drinker, too. I knew someone who knew them both, and he told me that Drysdale spilled more than Mantle drank. [/ QUOTE ] Hmm...perhaps a contributory factor to both of their current conditions? [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]
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#26
07-09-2005, 02:17 AM
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Well, this doesn't change the fact that McGwire's a Hall of Fame caliber 1B. But Frank Thomas was much better and no one cares - why? Frank hits a lot of doubles. Doubles aren't sexy. [/ QUOTE ] You are wrong. It's amazing all of the stuff that gets said in these threads when looking up stats is easy and takes all of 20 seconds. The only thing Frank Thomas did much better than McGwire is hit for average. Their career OPS are nearly identical: .982 and .997. I also don't see how a guy with a career OPS near 1.000 can be overrated.
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#27
07-09-2005, 02:31 AM
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Re: Most Overrated Baseball Players of All-Time
Winfield brought a lot of skills to the table, namely a gun in right field, he gets a bad rap for one bad post season performance, though late in his carreer he had a few big hits for the Blue Jays
Hard for me to call defensive stars like Brooks Robinson and Ozzie overrated, they weren't great because they hit much. The most overrated player playing today, IMO, is Bobby Abreau, this guy racks up stats largely in meaningless situations. I'll take Gaylord Perry for most overrated all time.
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#28
07-09-2005, 03:00 AM
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[ QUOTE ] Well, this doesn't change the fact that McGwire's a Hall of Fame caliber 1B. But Frank Thomas was much better and no one cares - why? Frank hits a lot of doubles. Doubles aren't sexy. [/ QUOTE ] You are wrong. It's amazing all of the stuff that gets said in these threads when looking up stats is easy and takes all of 20 seconds. The only thing Frank Thomas did much better than McGwire is hit for average. Their career OPS are nearly identical: .982 and .997. I also don't see how a guy with a career OPS near 1.000 can be overrated. [/ QUOTE ] Frank Thomas has 900 more PA, a more OBP heavy OPS, and was, funnily enough, a lot more healthy than McGwire was. McGwire got 600+ PA only 5 times in his career; Frank 10. He also had a much higher peak (Frank's is one of the best ever) and he's still kicking ass (check out that .250/.372/.736 line). Thomas will likely end up with 25% more PA at around the same caliber hitting or better, yet McGwire will go in on the first ballot and Thomas will probably wait around and sneak in on a weak ballot.
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#29
07-09-2005, 03:03 AM
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The most underrated player playing today, IMO, is Bobby Abreu. [/ QUOTE ]
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#30
07-09-2005, 03:17 AM
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He also had a much higher peak [/ QUOTE ] If I understand the way you are using peak, this is simply untrue. McGwire had 4 consecutive seasons in which he posted an OPS of 1.110+, slugged .650, and walked more than 100 times. In the three partial seasons that surrounded those his numbers were similar. Thomas's peak was sustained for a few more seasons, but you can hardly say he had a much higher peak. Thomas did manage to see more playing time than McGwire, but he definately was not a "much better" baseball player.
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