TT UTG squeezed

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Except for 1010 beats sc, AK, AQ and 88-99. Theres nothing wrong with pealing a flop here.

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Peeling flops in rr pots is spewcity, no?

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if villain is bluffing a high %, possibly valuing worse hands, not calling pushes with worse often and we have position, I don't see how calling could be defined as spew

[Speedlimits]

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and when he bets 30 on every god damn flop you?

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you bone him? srsly, this is very exploitable.

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boning him would be quite nice. Are you saying just turn my hand into a bluff and shove most flops?

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WHAT

[Speedlimits]

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why not? i actually agree with him here, you are playing for set value.

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First of all, even if you ARE playing for set-value, you cannot call with all pocket pairs. If you call 22+, then villain can just auto-cbet and double barrel the turn because we won't hit often enough. However, if you narrow your range and only call with say, 99+, now villain cannot be so sure that you never have anything... So just for the sake of balancing your range, TT is different from 22.

Secondly, TT has good showdown value. Villain will often have a lower pair than TT, or A-x where x is lower than T. You won't get bluffed out as much as you think.

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Either you're playing for set value (where 22=TT) or you're not (you think TT is ahead/flipping) in which case you should be shove pf or all low flops. Problem with that is you run into JJ+ too often when TT is an overpair. As 22 is never an overpair the flop, I'm not as inclined to do something stupid with it (like shovesky)

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wtf this logic is bad. TT is WAY different from 22 in that our showdown is so much better with TT. If we don't flop a set with 22 we are fcked, if we don't flop a set with TT we can c/c most flops and re-evaluate turns.

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we have position so we're not c/c anything. but all I'm saying with the 22=TT analogy is that we still behind all his big pairs, and with TT I'm going to be tempted to invest too much post flop money when I'm drawing very thin. Any flop without a T is going to be tough to continue unless we're prepared to stack off on a low flop here w/ TT, which I'm generally not prepared to do.

And our showdown is much better with TT? I don't think we're winning at showdown with TT if we're losing with 22, assuming we get there (because I don't think villain is going to have 66 or 78 and hit a 7 or something often enough)

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um we are ahead of villains squeezing range. AND WE HAVE POSITION. IF U FOLD THIS UR A NIT AND HORRIBLE AT POKER

[mrcoughman]

this thread is funny

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um we are ahead of villains squeezing range. AND WE HAVE POSITION. IF U FOLD THIS UR A NIT AND HORRIBLE AT POKER

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QFMFTIWJWD LDO LOL

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Either you're playing for set value (where 22=TT) or you're not (you think TT is ahead/flipping) in which case you should be shove pf or all low flops. Problem with that is you run into JJ+ too often when TT is an overpair. As 22 is never an overpair the flop, I'm not as inclined to do something stupid with it (like shovesky)

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Why the hell would I want to shove all low flops?

You sir, are awful at playing re-raised pots.

[manupod]

Hey speedlimits- does degrading new posters make you feel like more of a man or less of a woman?

[ikestoys]

manupod -

i don't think you realize the quality of the posters disagreeing with you here. starting a penis waving contest normally happens when your argument loses. Don't lose the first argument only to start a second losing one

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Hey speedlimits- does degrading new posters make you feel like more of a man or less of a woman?

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lol u keep digging yourself into a hole.

[manupod]

Gotta love the attitude of this forum- everyone w/ 2500+ posts telling me I'm an idiot, horrible at poker, a super nit, awful in reraised pots, etc. I only won 50 buy-ins @ 200 last month, damn. Less than 30k hands, too. Oh well, I'll continue sucking (away your monies) if that's what it means.

Ho hum.

If you don't like what I have to say, ignore it. But don't insult me.