Should the Pats be running up the score on everybody in garbage time?

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OK, my statement is being taken very wrongly now. I might not be clear enough, so I'll try again.

Obviously, I know they want the numbers, and I hope that the SB really is their main goal, and that they could honestly say 16-0 means nothing without 19-0 (which it really doesn't). If they're playing to be statistical behemoths, more power to them.

I've said many times, I don't care about "running it up". In 2004, Peyton came out of games early still, and I don't recall them ever gunning it up 38 with 5 minutes to go, so don't give me that. 21-7 against the Raiders - 2 possession game. I DO NOT CARE ABOUT ANYBODY "RUNNING IT UP". I don't have the photographic memory that some people here do for games that happened years ago, and especially living in MN where I don't get to see every Colts (or Patriots) game.

Peyton got the season TD record despite frequently just giving the ball to the RB in situations where he could have easily thrown the ball. He came out of games with plenty of time left to throw more. I really don't think there's any comparison in the way the Colts and Patriots may have gone about the way they're doing things.

So yeah, I was just addressing kyro's statement that it was *yawn* another Super Bowl.

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I've said many times, I don't care about "running it up". In 2004, Peyton came out of games early still, and I don't recall them ever gunning it up 38 with 5 minutes to go, so don't give me that. 21-7 against the Raiders - 2 possession game.

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Ok this is not directed at Edge, but at all the people saying, "hey it could happen." Earlier in the season the Jags were beating the Chiefs 10-0 in the 3rd quarter. I bet if you asked the coaches of either team if the was over and they had to answer honestly, they both would have said yes.

There are certain situations when no matter how close the score is a team has no chance of coming back. That is the nature of the game, has been since its creation, and will continue to be that way outside of some crazy rule changes. If you don't believe that they we clearly are not watching the same games. Yes, flukes do happen, as do miracles, but they are just that, miracles.

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I've said many times, I don't care about "running it up". In 2004, Peyton came out of games early still, and I don't recall them ever gunning it up 38 with 5 minutes to go, so don't give me that. 21-7 against the Raiders - 2 possession game.

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Ok this is not directed at Edge, but at all the people saying, "hey it could happen." Earlier in the season the Jags were beating the Chiefs 10-0 in the 3rd quarter. I bet if you asked the coaches of either team if the was over and they had to answer honestly, they both would have said yes.

There are certain situations when no matter how close the score is a team has no chance of coming back. That is the nature of the game, has been since its creation, and will continue to be that way outside of some crazy rule changes. If you don't believe that they we clearly are not watching the same games. Yes, flukes do happen, as do miracles, but they are just that, miracles.

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I'm sorry but this is one of the dumbest posts I've ever read.

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in that case obviously you are playing for something else. like money, or respect, or individual statistics, or a team record of some kind.

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But that's the point. They aren't playing for money. Financially, winning the SB is as big as it gets: there aren't bonuses in player or coach contracts for going undefeated, they're for winning the SB. There aren't tangible benefits for being the best in a statistical category; Bo Jackson or Deion Sanders might have been the best two-sport athletes ever, Jerry Rice is the best receiver, and all that's gotten them is a shot at Dancing With the Stars. It's the same story for respect, only with the added onus of that respect coming at a very grudging price, ie every one of your colleagues hating you.

At this point, it looks more like Belichick isn't playing for money, or pride - hard to be proud about being caught cheating, right? - or statistics. He's running up the score out of spite. And even if you think that the reward of going undefeated is worth it to Belichick, does that mean it's worth it to players he keeps in when they're up by 40 in the second half? Does Light care to risk ending his career because his team got caught cheating?

In the end, it's risk/reward analysis. And the rewards are so slim that I can't understand Brady accepting even a slight risk of injury. Maybe since Belichick isn't risking anything, really, it's easy for him to call a QB sneak in the third up by 40. And that's why it would be sweet justice for it to bite him in the ass when all is said and done.

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the odds just say sooner or later one of these guys is going to let his ghetto side take over and do something stupid.

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The odds say this? Seriously?

What do you think the odds are that in the next possession Brady is playing QB with a more-than-comfortable lead, he suffers a season-ending injury?

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Don't bother with those guys, for them if the odds are greater than zero then they are equal to 50%, just mediocrity speaking.

As a WAS player said, it's THEIR job to stop them on 4th and 2.

I think New England is going for GREATNESS, a word mediocre people just can't conceive. Being the best football team ever is kind of hard, this is professional football, they're not up there to care for their opponents sport feelings. If they think they can improve with any play they make, it's up to them to try. I, for one, really hope they keep trying to get better.

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I've said many times, I don't care about "running it up". In 2004, Peyton came out of games early still, and I don't recall them ever gunning it up 38 with 5 minutes to go, so don't give me that. 21-7 against the Raiders - 2 possession game.

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Ok this is not directed at Edge, but at all the people saying, "hey it could happen." Earlier in the season the Jags were beating the Chiefs 10-0 in the 3rd quarter. I bet if you asked the coaches of either team if the was over and they had to answer honestly, they both would have said yes.

There are certain situations when no matter how close the score is a team has no chance of coming back. That is the nature of the game, has been since its creation, and will continue to be that way outside of some crazy rule changes. If you don't believe that they we clearly are not watching the same games. Yes, flukes do happen, as do miracles, but they are just that, miracles.

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I'm sorry but this is one of the dumbest posts I've ever read.

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Because he can say it in words that I cannot here it is.

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Jaime from Jacksonville: After week one Jack Del Rio said, “We will stop the run,” and they have done just that. To be able to compete with the Colts and Patriots, we need to score more. Do you think if Jack said, “We will score more points,” it would happen?

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Vic: They could’ve named their score on Sunday. They chose 17 because that’s all they needed to win comfortably. Good coaches are also game managers. They are committed to a singular purpose: Win the game. Anything more than what’s necessary to win introduces an unnecessary risk.

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This was after the KC game and any fan of the sport would have the same feelings and most likely did, assuming they understand the game. From 10/9/07 Link to article

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i think it's pretty clear the pats are playing to prove how much better than everyone else they are. they are sick of hearing about how they are a 'system' team, they are sick of taking all the blame for something lots of teams were doing, they probably think they don't get enough respect because they don't put up insane stats (until now). i think the pats players really don't want to hear any more about how they get by with inferior talent because BB is such a good coach. they want to prove that being a cohesive unit doesn't mean that everyone just has to quietly, mechanically execute. they don't want to hear about how their dynasty is headed downhill.

they have a real reason for playing this way. somebody woke the sleeping giant and they are on a [censored] rampage. you can like it or hate it, but there's nothing unusual about that kind of attitude from an athlete. a lot of the greats are characterized by their urge for TOTAL victory.

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I've said many times, I don't care about "running it up". In 2004, Peyton came out of games early still, and I don't recall them ever gunning it up 38 with 5 minutes to go, so don't give me that. 21-7 against the Raiders - 2 possession game.

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Ok this is not directed at Edge, but at all the people saying, "hey it could happen." Earlier in the season the Jags were beating the Chiefs 10-0 in the 3rd quarter. I bet if you asked the coaches of either team if the was over and they had to answer honestly, they both would have said yes.

There are certain situations when no matter how close the score is a team has no chance of coming back. That is the nature of the game, has been since its creation, and will continue to be that way outside of some crazy rule changes. If you don't believe that they we clearly are not watching the same games. Yes, flukes do happen, as do miracles, but they are just that, miracles.

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I'm sorry but this is one of the dumbest posts I've ever read.

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Because he can say it in words that I cannot here it is.

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Jaime from Jacksonville: After week one Jack Del Rio said, “We will stop the run,” and they have done just that. To be able to compete with the Colts and Patriots, we need to score more. Do you think if Jack said, “We will score more points,” it would happen?

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Vic: They could’ve named their score on Sunday. They chose 17 because that’s all they needed to win comfortably. Good coaches are also game managers. They are committed to a singular purpose: Win the game. Anything more than what’s necessary to win introduces an unnecessary risk.

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This was after the KC game and any fan of the sport would have the same feelings and most likely did, assuming they understand the game. From 10/9/07 Link to article

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I didn't watch the game nor do I know anything about this Vic Ketchman dude so I can't argue the details of the game. All I'm saying is that no 3rd quarter 10-0 game is over. No coach would admit to it being over. And anyone who says it's over should never coach ever again.

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the odds just say sooner or later one of these guys is going to let his ghetto side take over and do something stupid.

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The odds say this? Seriously?

What do you think the odds are that in the next possession Brady is playing QB with a more-than-comfortable lead, he suffers a season-ending injury?

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quit being a nit, i was using it as a figure of speech.

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Way to avoid my question, which is very legitimate.

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i have no idea, but i guarantee its more than the odds that buffalo, miami or the redskins were making a comeback in their games.

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Hooray for irrelevancy!

That's not even close to my point, and had you read my posts, you'd know that.

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Shall we ask Miami whether it was a good idea or not to keep Ronnie Brown in the game when it was already out of hand?

There are reasons starters don't play the entire game the final game of the pre-season.

As I Steeler fan, I beg BB to continue playing his star players all the way to the final snap every game. I honestly can't believe Patriot fans are defending this risk.

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What's the reward? Another *yawn* Super Bowl?

That comment sounds super elitist, but my point is the SB is less important than it was in 2001, or 2003, or 2004.

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If any team thinks the ultimate prize is anything less than the most important thing they play for, they don't deserve to win it. I don't see how it can really be any less important one year just because they've done it before.

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I understand what you're saying, but since the majority of the players have a SB ring, I'm sure they don't mind sacrificing the 1/whatever chance of Brady getting hurt via a freak tackle in order to put their team in the pantheon of greatest team ever. If you disagree that that's important, fine, but it's probably very important to a team that's been there, done that, and is striving to achieve more.