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Old 10-23-2007, 05:45 PM
sh58 sh58 is offline
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Default how do you play this: TPAK against maniac in 3bet pot

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saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

<font color="#C00000">SB ($268.20)</font>
BB ($355.30)
UTG ($403.10)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($200)</font>
CO ($224.70)
Button ($230.52)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $8</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $14</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $6.

Flop: ($30) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $14</font>, Hero calls $14.

Turn: ($58) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $40</font>, Hero calls $40.

River: ($138) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $90</font>, Hero calls $90.

Final Pot: $318
<font color="#009B00">Main Pot: $318, between SB and Hero.</font>

i've played maybe 1 orbit so no reads, but i have him at 61/40/3.33 over 100 datamined hands.

so i have to call the minraise right? and the flop as well.

the turn and river calls are the only marginal ones for me

i hate these spots because our hand is pretty bad in general, but pretty strong against a maniac's range.

how would you play it SSNL?
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Old 10-23-2007, 06:06 PM
peyote_sandwich peyote_sandwich is offline
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Default Re: how do you play this: TPAK against maniac in 3bet pot

Once I'd seen him take this line with air once or twice then I'd have no problem calling him down.

I'm nervous doing this based on your datamined reads, as that doesn't really tell you if he gives up his bluffs once he gets to the river.

In your situation though I also can't find a place to fold.

Given he raises so often you could just limp preflop - QJs won't play terribly if its limped around, and you are in a better spot if he raises and you are the only caller.
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Old 10-23-2007, 06:23 PM
Up-grey-de Up-grey-de is offline
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Default Re: how do you play this: TPAK against maniac in 3bet pot

River kinda looks like a valuebet, but people like that could "value" bet 10s and similar here. Think I would fold the river, but its veeery close, and a call here could be OK too, and then put notes on him.
Does he minraise alot preflop?
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