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10-21-2007, 06:44 PM
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Re: Should female circumcision be legal in the US?
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If a person is starving and I have food, that person does not have a right to my food. Similarly if he is just really hungry. This is very far from a semantical argument. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah except we are talking about babies and leaving a newborn infant chilling in the corner is "murder". 
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#92
10-21-2007, 06:47 PM
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Re: Should female circumcision be legal in the US?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I think a mother has the right to not be forced to care for a child not the right to agress against the child. In other words, I think a mother has the right to walk away from a child after birth, but not step on its head. [/ QUOTE ] So a mother can leave her kid in a dumpster to freeze to death? What's the difference? [/ QUOTE ] All the difference in the world? [/ QUOTE ] specifically... [/ QUOTE ] Specifically the difference between killing someone and denying them the things they need to live. EDIT: Not actually denying, simply failing to provide. [/ QUOTE ] But isn't it more humane just to end the baby's life rather than let it die cold and hungry and alone? You have to let him slowly starve to death for morality's sake? Some morals.
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#93
10-21-2007, 06:56 PM
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Re: Should female circumcision be legal in the US?
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[ QUOTE ] If a person is starving and I have food, that person does not have a right to my food. Similarly if he is just really hungry. This is very far from a semantical argument. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah except we are talking about babies and leaving a newborn infant chilling in the corner is "murder". [/ QUOTE ] Just because you are positive they will die does not mean its murder. I guess putting them outside where they will freeze to death is murder. But simply refusing to give someone the things they need to live is not murder. Even if they have no other way to get it.
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#94
10-21-2007, 06:57 PM
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Re: Should female circumcision be legal in the US?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I think a mother has the right to not be forced to care for a child not the right to agress against the child. In other words, I think a mother has the right to walk away from a child after birth, but not step on its head. [/ QUOTE ] So a mother can leave her kid in a dumpster to freeze to death? What's the difference? [/ QUOTE ] All the difference in the world? [/ QUOTE ] specifically... [/ QUOTE ] Specifically the difference between killing someone and denying them the things they need to live. EDIT: Not actually denying, simply failing to provide. [/ QUOTE ] But isn't it more humane just to end the baby's life rather than let it die cold and hungry and alone? You have to let him slowly starve to death for morality's sake? Some morals. [/ QUOTE ] Sure. Just like it is more humane to pull the plug whenever anyone is suffering or its more humane to put a bullet in a soldiers head when he is laying on the battlefield dying. I don't really get your point.
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#95
10-21-2007, 06:59 PM
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Re: Should female circumcision be legal in the US?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I think a mother has the right to not be forced to care for a child not the right to agress against the child. In other words, I think a mother has the right to walk away from a child after birth, but not step on its head. [/ QUOTE ] So a mother can leave her kid in a dumpster to freeze to death? What's the difference? [/ QUOTE ] All the difference in the world? [/ QUOTE ] specifically... [/ QUOTE ] Specifically the difference between killing someone and denying them the things they need to live. EDIT: Not actually denying, simply failing to provide. [/ QUOTE ] But isn't it more humane just to end the baby's life rather than let it die cold and hungry and alone? You have to let him slowly starve to death for morality's sake? Some morals. [/ QUOTE ] Sure. Just like it is more humane to pull the plug whenever anyone is suffering or its more humane to put a bullet in a soldiers head when he is laying on the battlefield dying. I don't really get your point. [/ QUOTE ] Actually this is an even sillier objection. It is more humane to FEED IT and clothe it and shelter it. But what we are talking about here is a moral system that has implications. If it is my moral duty to provide whatever this infant needs for its survival, that has implications in the rest of society.
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#96
10-21-2007, 07:00 PM
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Re: Should female circumcision be legal in the US?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] If a person is starving and I have food, that person does not have a right to my food. Similarly if he is just really hungry. This is very far from a semantical argument. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah except we are talking about babies and leaving a newborn infant chilling in the corner is "murder". [/ QUOTE ] Just because you are positive they will die does not mean its murder. I guess putting them outside where they will freeze to death is murder. But simply refusing to give someone the things they need to live is not murder. Even if they have no other way to get it. [/ QUOTE ] [censored]. Kid's parents are responsible for doing something better with the kid, end of story.
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#97
10-21-2007, 07:01 PM
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Re: Should female circumcision be legal in the US?
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If it is my moral duty to provide whatever this infant needs for its survival, that has implications in the rest of society. [/ QUOTE ] I agree that there are implications, you seem to have rejected the implications ahead of time and therefore reject this a priori.
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#98
10-21-2007, 07:03 PM
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Re: Should female circumcision be legal in the US?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I think a mother has the right to not be forced to care for a child not the right to agress against the child. In other words, I think a mother has the right to walk away from a child after birth, but not step on its head. [/ QUOTE ] So a mother can leave her kid in a dumpster to freeze to death? What's the difference? [/ QUOTE ] All the difference in the world? [/ QUOTE ] specifically... [/ QUOTE ] Specifically the difference between killing someone and denying them the things they need to live. EDIT: Not actually denying, simply failing to provide. [/ QUOTE ] But isn't it more humane just to end the baby's life rather than let it die cold and hungry and alone? You have to let him slowly starve to death for morality's sake? Some morals. [/ QUOTE ] Sure. Just like it is more humane to pull the plug whenever anyone is suffering or its more humane to put a bullet in a soldiers head when he is laying on the battlefield dying. I don't really get your point. [/ QUOTE ] Well, you were saying that letting a baby starve to death if you don't want to care for him is an acceptable choice, while killing it outright is wrong. I don't understand how you think the choice that would involve more suffering for the baby is the morally correct one, and the humane choice is the morally reprehensible one.
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#99
10-21-2007, 07:09 PM
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Re: Should female circumcision be legal in the US?
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[ QUOTE ] If it is my moral duty to provide whatever this infant needs for its survival, that has implications in the rest of society. [/ QUOTE ] I agree that there are implications, you seem to have rejected the implications ahead of time and therefore reject this a priori. [/ QUOTE ] It is completely untenable to hold a position that I can be responsible for ensuring that another person lives regardless of the consequences to myself.
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#100
10-21-2007, 07:11 PM
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Re: Should female circumcision be legal in the US?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] If a person is starving and I have food, that person does not have a right to my food. Similarly if he is just really hungry. This is very far from a semantical argument. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah except we are talking about babies and leaving a newborn infant chilling in the corner is "murder". [/ QUOTE ] Just because you are positive they will die does not mean its murder. I guess putting them outside where they will freeze to death is murder. But simply refusing to give someone the things they need to live is not murder. Even if they have no other way to get it. [/ QUOTE ] [censored]. Kid's parents are responsible for doing something better with the kid, end of story. [/ QUOTE ] What does that mean, better? Give it up for adoption? What if there is no one to take it? BTW it is only because of the opulent, wealthy society that we live in that we have such a view on infanticide. Only because there is ALWAYS someone willing to take care of the baby. What if there is no one who will take it? Then what?
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