JJ against a very passive opponent

gopnik · #1 03-15-2006, 10:53 PM

preflop raiser is like 28/0.3/0.3 after a decent number of hands.

My standard play would be to reraise, but I figured I am most likely behind here and wanted to see a favourable flop before putting any money in. Well, I could not just fold JJ preflop.

So, what's my plan after this flop?

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Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP2 raises, 1 fold, CO calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, 1 fold.

Flop: (7 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)

Hero..????

nelly99 · #2 03-15-2006, 10:58 PM

I honestly dont think the call was that bad if the stats are over a long amount of hands, bc your out of position, and your either dominated or just over 50-50 with him.

I would bet fold. THoughts?

Anqew · #3 03-15-2006, 11:18 PM

3 Bet the flop, He may cap and knock out co or he could just call it back. his range is quite large as MP2 open raiser and JJ is a premium hand so a 3 bet is necessary. This also lets you narrow his hand range w/ his action before the flop.
As for how you played it Id lead the flop hopefully MP2 raises to knock out the CO Then i would Check call teh turn and river aslong as the A or K dont fall vs MP2 HU.

knicknut · #4 03-15-2006, 11:20 PM

I think preflop this is a reraise/fold. If you read AA, KK only, then fold. If you read AK, AQ, AJ too then you're OK (at a rate of .3%, I'd lean toward fold, even if you're getting in cheaply). As given, your implied odds for a set are tiny and it's not worth waiting for a favorable flop, IMO.

Given the preflop, I bet the flop and fold to a raise. He won't raise with AK (the only possible holding you beat at this point) especially with his passivity postflop. I think bet/fold is the only way to play this. You could c/r to represent a queen, but I doubt he'll give in anyway given his stats.

Pog0 · #5 03-16-2006, 12:26 AM

c/f or c/r/f. The problem is after you c/r the flop, he's calling down with AA or KK, so his lack of agression is by no means an indication that you're ahead. You could c/r the flop, bet the turn, then check/fold the river (assuming he's checking behind AK, betting others). This way he has to pay to draw and you can dump once you're sure you're behind.

The only reason I advocate c/r/f on the flop rather than b/f is that if I bet and am raised, I'm not convinced I'm beat (logic being, he raises PF so seldomly that he feels somewhat commited to the pot once he does, hence he may raise AK here while he wouldn't dream of 3betting less than KQ to a c/r)

JoeyFrogs · #6 03-16-2006, 01:02 AM

If the range of hands is as large as you say it is... I actually FOLD this preflop. Here is my reasoning. He is raising .3% of the time and is superpassive. Immediately I limit his holdings to AA-KK because this is such a small % of raising.

Thus in order to get any kind of value out of this hand we need to spike a set and hope this guy overplays his AA-KK but this is unlikely to get us a lot of money because he is so non-aggressive.

Three-handed, JJ against an unknown and KK+ will only win 17.5% of the time and you are drawing to two outs.

gopnik · #7 03-16-2006, 10:25 AM

I bet the flop planning on calling a raise and folding the turn UI. With his stats he would raise/bet AK on 2 streets.

Turn and River I think are standard. I really don't see any other way to play this hand.

Thoughts?

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Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP2 raises, 1 fold, CO calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, 1 fold.

Flop: (7 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, MP2 calls, CO folds.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP2 raises, Hero calls.

River: (8.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB