The state of Notre Dame football.

[DesertCat]

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We know Ty can't meet expectations, he had one luckbox year and couldn't recruit, at least at this point Weis has had two decent to good seasons, 05 obviously being better than 06, and has put together three straight good recruiting classes. This latest stretch is troubling to say the least, I can't think of an elite coach who has looked this bad at any point in their careers, but I wouldn't say the book is completely closed on his potential unlike with Ty.

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Ty couldn't recruit? Weis's 2006 team was heavily built around Ty's recruits. Besides a first round pick in Quinn, they had 6 other seniors drafted by the NFL, and five others made NFL teams. And this doesn't count Samardzija who signed with the Cubs, but who would have been another first round draft pick (according to Mel Kiper).

A partial list of Ty's recruits on that team follows.

Brady Quinn
Jeff Samardzija
Victor Abiamiri
Ryan Harris
Derek Landri
Mike Richardson
Dan Santucci
Nedu Ndukwe
Rhema McKnight
Bob Morton
Darius Walker
Dwight Stephenson Jr
Travis Leitko
Travis Thomas

Maybe Weis coached them "up" better than Ty could. But if that's true, what is Weis doing this year "coaching em down"? Maybe Weis is the luckbox? He established a stellar reputation as an offensive coordinate in the NFL only by getting the opposing team's defensive calls every year from 2000 on (as confirmed by SI's story). Then before the scandal hits he goes to Notre Dame and parlays Ty's recruits into two good seasons, and despite being routed in two bowl games he's given a TEN YEAR EXTENSION just before the wheels fall off the bus.

That's a luckbox!

[Kneel B4 Zod]

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He established a stellar reputation as an offensive coordinate in the NFL only by getting the opposing team's defensive calls every year from 2000 on (as confirmed by SI's story).

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[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] how you keep mentioning this while

1) you ignore that many other teams have admitted to having the same "advantage"

and

2) you have no idea how much "advantage" was actually gained by the teams who have admitted to stealing signals

[Dudd]

Do you believe that Ty Willingham is a top level coach, someone who's just as good as Carroll, Stoops, Meyer, Tressell, that general group of the elite college coaches? Do you believe he falls in the next lower category, the Tedfords, Mack Brown, those guys? Forget about Weis and where he falls, would you be thrilled if your team's coach left after the season and Ty was hired as your head coach? I highly doubt you can say yes to any of those questions, so why act like it was some great sin that Ty was fired after going 5-7 and 6-5 and having two straight recruiting classes outside the top 30?

[deacsoft]

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Ty was fired after going 5-7 and 6-6 and having two straight recruiting classes outside the top 30?

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FYP

[Dudd]

I'm letting him off the hook for the Insight Bowl because he was already fired.

[shemp]

No tears for Ty. He'll do fine. He's got an opportunity to compete in the Pac-10. If he'd won at ND, then he'd have gotten another year. I think presently he is invoked by ND fan, which I find amusing as well as evocative of a comparison of his treatment with the treatment of other ND coaches.

[DesertCat]

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He established a stellar reputation as an offensive coordinate in the NFL only by getting the opposing team's defensive calls every year from 2000 on (as confirmed by SI's story).

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[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] how you keep mentioning this while

1) you ignore that many other teams have admitted to having the same "advantage"

and

2) you have no idea how much "advantage" was actually gained by the teams who have admitted to stealing signals

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Funny how you originally denied it was even true. As for how much of an advantage it was, isnt the 2007 ND offense evidence it was very valuable?

[deacsoft]

Word.

[bernie]

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Forget about Weis and where he falls, would you be thrilled if your team's coach left after the season and Ty was hired as your head coach?

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I sure am. If I fired Ty and got the performance I've gotten out of Weiss I wouldn't be too happy either. Especially this year. A 'building year'...Please.

Ty's done more in 3 years, with less talent, than Weiss. Period.

So what if Weiss made it to BCS bowls. Weak ass schedules and not winning any big games. Note: He's lost every big game so far(also note that he's losing by more and more as the years have progressed). I think people are giving Weiss too much credit for taking ND to BCS bowls when if he were coaching any other team and did the same perfomance during the season, they wouldn't have made it near a BCS bid. So give credit to it being "ND", and ND's money drawing power, not Weiss' great leadership.

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[Kneel B4 Zod]

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Funny how you originally denied it was even true.

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As for how much of an advantage it was, isnt the 2007 ND offense evidence it was very valuable?

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