25NL Just dump the overpair? On what street?

[MrBump]

It definitely looks like he's taking you to value town with his betting. Hard to get away from this.

[jetsetboy]

3bet preflop !

[CesareBorgia]

I think I would bet this hand on the turn (about $6) and then fold to a well-sized raise. If UTG+1 calls, I would probably consider block betting about $7 on the river.

I think there is not much of a point in checking on the turn unless you've really given up on the hand, because you want to be able to put your opponent on a hand quickly. If you bet, he is less likely to bluff. On the other hand, he may fold his hand, which is something you'll not achieve by checking your hand. If he raises after you bet, it will be easier for you to throw your hand away.

Another reason you don't want to check is the fact that your hand is unlikely to improve, so you want to win or lose the hand before the last card comes out. And by checking you give a free card.

Of course, people are likely to disagree with me on the above. Fact is: lower overpairs are quite difficult to play.

[phydaux]

* grunch *

Pre-flop you have an early position raise and a call before it gets to you. You have a pair, but not a premium pair. And you'll be OOP on every street after the flop. I think that pre-flop this is an easy call, but you're playing for set value alone.

Once the flop comes, all thise little cards are likely to have helped MP3's range, but not UTG+1. A half-pot bet to see where you are is a good idea, but after that I'm done with the hand unless a T comes on the turn.

Does anyone think a pre-flop 3-bet is a good idea here, even if it's just to gain the betting initiative? 3-bet then c-bet, just to put your opponents to the test? At a shorthanded table that would be my play, but what about here?

[phydaux]

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In the future, have a plan for your hand. Once you put in 10% of your stack you are at the commitment threshold. Once you put in 30%, you should be committed. Were you committed when you called the turn bet? If so, then call the river.

I think you are behind in this hand. It might be worth a call if you think he would play AK like this. If he doesn't, i think you are toast

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

282 games 0.005 secs 56,400 games/sec

Board: 2c 7d 8s 7h 3s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 52.128% 51.06% 01.06% 144 3.00 { 99+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 1: 47.872% 46.81% 01.06% 132 3.00 { TT }

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186 games 0.005 secs 37,200 games/sec

Board: 2c 7d 8s 7h 3s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 79.032% 77.42% 01.61% 144 3.00 { 99+ }
Hand 1: 20.968% 19.35% 01.61% 36 3.00 { TT }

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this 10% stuff sounds ridiculous and the 30% is way too low imo also.

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Don't worry. He was just making that up. It's not like those ideas are suppoted by math or anything.

[phydaux]

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I 3 bet preflop, thats just me tho i have issues.

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Why 3-bet? If villain calls you are OOP and I dont like to play big pots out of position.

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You make up for being OOP by taking the betting initiative. 3-bet then c-bet puts a lot of pressure on players who like to play hands like AQ, AJ & KQ.

Also, by 3-betting the flop and then c-betting, you are finding out where you are in the hand early, when the bets are cheap. If someone calls your 3-bet and your c-bet, or if they play back at you at any time, then you can get away from the hand before you have invested too much.

The key is that you know in advance that you're going to 3-bet & c-bet, but you also know that you're not really commited to the hand unless a T comes on the flop or turn. This goes back to what an earlier posted said about having a plan for the hand.

Like I said earlier, that's how I'd play if the game were shorthanded.