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[shemp]

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"Barry just did what Hank did surge wise, and Hank did it on performance enhancing drugs, and this information is being suppressed" angle is inaccurate and unimpressive casuistry.


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That's not my angle. That seems to be your assumption of my angle.

I'm citing statistics of record, and facts Hank admitted. I make no judgments and draw no conclusions.

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A laughable summary given your accusations of what the media want me to believe through revisionist histories and lionization of Aaron and demonization of Bonds, etc. But fine, I don't think we'll make progress on what I take to be the agenda in the original article or yours, presently. In any case, I'm a fan of Barry.

On another note, I'm getting confused about the fact Hank Aaron admitted. You directed someone to an account of him taking a greenie in 1968-- wouldn't that have been legal?

[Case Closed]

Red Bean deserves a free lunch with the real Bonds for all of his internet efforts.

[Gregatron]

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Worst thread ever, this thread is essentially a nightmare. We have one guy who wants to annoint Bonds a saint and dispute a change in body structure that would be clear to a blind, retarded 5 year old. Are you honestly disputing Barry's change in appearance because you happen to be able to quote a few hat size measurements? For that matter, can you please explain to us what the hell Bruce Bochy has to do with anything? He has a big dome, what's the goddamn relevance? Barry Bonds is a cheat who became a better player by use of performance enhancing drugs, and he's a bad teammate and a disgusting ambassador for the game. Do we really need a thread that is bending over backward to dispute this?

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Jesus dude. You made an assertion, and he countered that assertion using (*gasp*) facts.

If you disagree, how about presenting some facts of your own. Perhaps a place to start is comparing Barry's weight increase with comparable weight increases of supposed "clean" players that has power increases later in their careers.

But emotional arguments without facts and logic to back them up do not a strong argument make. You can get as indignant as you want dude, but being more indignant combined 50 cents will get you a local phone call, and continue to get you pwned in this thread.

Seriously, you might as well just point and grunt.

[kyleb]

I like the fact that I don't have to defend Bonds in this forum and I can just defer to RedBean so I can save my energy to laugh and pick apart the "arguments" that Your Mom and Vyse put forth. At least he uses the avatar I found for him. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[metsandfinsfan]

RedBean for president

awesome article i just blogged it on my myspace as well

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I thought Redbean was a troll at first, but now [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] him.

[Victor]

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I read I Had A Hammer many times, admittedly when I was a kid, I don't remember one sentence about amphetamines. Someone post a link or copy and paste pls.

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Turn your book to page 268.

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On page 268, Aaron states:

"Actually, the 1968 season wasn’t the best time to present my case. It was the first time since my rookie year that I didn’t drive in or score 100 runs. I was so frustrated that at one point I tried using a pep pill—a greenie—that one of my teammates gave me. When that thing took hold, I thought I was having a heart attack. It was a stupid thing to do…”

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redbean, thats it? aaron took one greenie? or is there more evidence and speculation out there?

realize that throughtout this post you intimate that aaron continually used performance enhancers and illegal substances, yet the evidence you refer to says it was a one time thing. further, im not even sure if greenies were illegal then.

it seems you are criticizing aaron in the same way others criticize bonds. i cant take you seriously.

[AbreuTime]

Redbean deserves a custom title for this thread alone.

[FireStorm]

Yes, he's clearly a fantastic poster. I'm the nut here, Bonds has never used steroids, and Hank Aaron's late career power surge somehow is evidence of this. Furthermore, it's now been told to us that clearly documented fact states that Bonds on the 1988 Pirates looks the same as Bonds on the 2001 Giants, how I missed this stuff is beyond me. Kudos for another 2p2 gem post, complete with someone who is likely 17 years old in Moms basement telling me I have anger issues for commenting on steroid use by someone who has two entire books devoted to the subject.

[Triumph36]

firestorm:

you're not very good at this whole arguing thing. I suggest stopping now.