The negative stigma against slowrolling- I don't get it.

[hra146]

I dont know. If its a regular and you cant find any other ways to beat him then whatever. Its a tough business and there is karma police. But people who slowroll fish (i.e. random people) for no particular reason deserve to lose both of their hands.

[Hattifnatt]

huh, why should it be ok to do it vs a regular?

[Teh1337zor]

its just not good etiquette

[CaseS87]

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yes, and I dont see how ppl thinks its OK just because offensive SNs etc. are.

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I wasn't replying to you.

[jaybizzle]

[CaseS87]

OK let me pose an example:

Lets say you are playing against a guy that you know will tilt like crazy if you show him a bluff. You end up playing a huge pot with him where you bluff shove the river and he folds. The obvious play here is to show the bluff instead of mucking. The result is that he is very pissed off.

Now consider a different situation: You have the absolute nuts on the river and the same guy shoves all in. If you slowroll him, you know that he will be extremely tilted, so you decide to slowroll. The result is the exact same as in example one, but yet example one is supposedly fine as far as etiquette is concerned, whereas ex 2 will practically incite murderous rage in people not even involved in the hand.

[Jay Riall]

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Why is it OK to try to tilt people through other means, (retarded chat, screen names that make light of things like the holocaust, 9/11 and so on etc)

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Since when have screenames about 9/11 and the holocaust been ok? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

[CaseS87]

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Why is it OK to try to tilt people through other means, (retarded chat, screen names that make light of things like the holocaust, 9/11 and so on etc)

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Since when have screenames about 9/11 and the holocaust been ok? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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Make a post about someone's sn being LOL_holocaust and see what kind of responses you get, then make one about someone slowrolling you.

[Peleus]

I think the argument is that you are not only effecting the person in the hand, but everyone at the table by wasting there time. Where do you draw the line between trying to get someone to tilt vs etiquette? Just like slow playing on the bubble.

I've got no problem showing someone a bluff, because its specially aimed at them, and doesn't waste other people's time. Yeah I know the argument can be made of trying to tilt the whole table, but again, where do you draw the line?

[tereg]

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Why is it OK to try to tilt people through other means, (retarded chat, screen names that make light of things like the holocaust, 9/11 and so on etc) but it is not OK to slowroll people? Isn't this just the greatest way to tilt someone?

As long as the intent is to anger someone, why does it matter in what fashion it is accomplished?



(I don't slowroll, try to tilt people through chat, or have an offensive screen name)

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Because slowrolling is inherently showing up the other dude whereas retarted chat/offensive screen names don't have that characteristic.

Retarted chat to try to tilt someone like "ZOMG YOU SUCK... FISH. CMON FISHY, PLAY SOME MORE PLZ" doesn't really attack a person's pride in the same way slowrolling does.

Slowrolling is all about ego. It's like the loser of the hand is saying "OMG, not only did you win the hand, but you forced me to sit here agonizing my bluff shove on the river and you squeezed out every ounce of drama out of me with the best possible hand. You tricked me. Bastard."

Slowrolling has a different vibe that just cuts deeper than loudmouth idiot donk chat.