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[futuredoc85]

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Somebody [censored] shoot me I'm [censored] worthless at ring games. I have lost all of my confidence and I'm bleeding money. -16 BIs this month. And it's [censored] 8th.

Couple of hands from today:

Villain is 28/10/4 but open raises like 90% despite of his position.


Seat 1: Wardancer ( $44.95 )
Seat 3: Firetribe ( $54.50 )
Seat 5: Lemur86 ( $48.50 )
Seat 6: HiTMoonweed ( $57.40 )
Seat 8: boomer21071964 ( $10.25 )
Seat 10: saan23 ( $60.05 )
boomer21071964 posts Small Blind $0.25
saan23 posts Big Blind $0.50

Dealing cards
Your cards A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] [Firetribe]
Wardancer raises $2
Firetribe raises $6.75
Lemur86 folds
HiTMoonweed folds
boomer21071964 folds
saan23 folds
Wardancer calls $4.75

Dealing Flop A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Wardancer checks
Firetribe checks
<font color="blue">wa/wb so Hero checks</font>

Dealing Turn K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Wardancer bets $8
Firetribe calls $8
<font color="blue">Trying to keep the pot as small as possible or something. And value calling. Maybe?</font>

Dealing River J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Wardancer checks
Firetribe bets $10.25
<font color="blue">value? </font>




OK, Hand #2

I actually have a note on him that says "miniraises cbets with air". What I dont know is how he plays his made hands or draws. Villain is 28/12/4 over 60 hands.


Seat 1: Firetribe ( $52.10 )
Seat 3: mensa62 ( $49 )
Seat 5: srfksfhk ( $57.50 )
Seat 6: suppegunners ( $57.66 )
Seat 8: ragusa ( $10.50 )
Seat 10: Cush11 ( $34.35 )
mensa62 posts Small Blind $0.25
srfksfhk posts Big Blind $0.50
Dealing cards

Your cards J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] [Firetribe]
suppegunners calls $0.50
ragusa folds
Cush11 folds
Firetribe raises $2.25
mensa62 folds
srfksfhk folds
suppegunners calls $1.75

Dealing Flop Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
suppegunners checks
Firetribe bets $4.75
suppegunners raises $9.50
Firetribe's plan?

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check the river in hand 1- valuebet any river thats not a J. Call in hand 2 and let him keep bluffing with your read, 3-betting is horrible.

[wiggs73]

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Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.50,

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omfglolwtfocopterbbqhycahcyah RAISE


Flop call is fine, fold to the raise

[wiggs73]

Karp, I actually like the valuebet on the end in the KJ hand... call flop min-raise in hand 2

[GtrHtr]

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check turn and call reasonable river card or fold if it sux

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this looks sound, and would be my default play.


how about this for thinking:
a) we think we're probably ahead of villain's range - which may include all sorts of crap that randomly hit that board, but may also include sets, flushes, etc.

b) if we check behind on the turn, villain will be some of the random rubbish (perhaps including a diamond if one comes) and we will often be making a mistake

c) however, if we bet the turn, and villain calls, we can almost certainly fold to a river bet

d) if we bet the turn, we have some fold equity

e) if we bet the turn and get checkraised, we obviously fold



if you're willing to put a little more money into the pot (by calling a reasonable river card if it comes) it would make sense to me to put it in on the turn when you have fold equity, not on the river when you'd be calling a bet sized by your opponent.

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my thought was to get to showdown cheaply or not at all depending on the river. You have to also consider that if the river is a blank, villain will often donk bluff into you and you get paid off anyway. I don't like building a pot here.

[K䲰䮥n]

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call flop min-raise in hand 2

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What's Firetribe's plan for the rest of the hand?

[Austiger]

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Guy was 30/10 over 20 hands , and on the turn he had 49 left.

Do I still have to shove turn?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($170.05)
MP ($94.65)
Button ($8.20)
Hero ($119)
BB ($76.70)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $5</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $17</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $12.

Flop: ($35) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $29</font>, MP calls $29.

Turn: ($93) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero ..

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You realize that if his range is 88+, AQ+ you only beat AK? Check/fold.

[DuderinoAB]

Is it not possible for him to fold a set if we shove the turn? Also, outside of him having a Q in his hand we have 6 outs to win if called. If he has a Q we have 3 outs. I don't think shoving is that horrible here...

[K䲰䮥n]

Villain is 17/9/2. The other yet to act is 40/2/1. What is my move? Do I call on this dry(ish) board and hope that the other (loose) guy comes along and hope that the main villain keeps on donk-betting? Or raise for vlaue and slight protection?

Seat 1: Volodar69 ( $69.95 )
Seat 3: Firetribe ( $50 )
Seat 6: STL24 ( $47.75 )
Seat 8: taljan ( $172.03 )
Seat 10: znigern ( $49 )
znigern posts Small Blind $0.25
Volodar69 posts Big Blind $0.50

Dealing cards
Your cards J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] [Firetribe]
Firetribe raises $1.75
STL24 folds
taljan calls $1.75
znigern calls $1.50
Volodar69 folds
Dealing Flop J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
znigern bets $5
Firetribe?

I remeber aba saying something like this in his video "don't be afraid to play the hand as profitably as possible even though you might get suckouts a bit more often that way."

[ManChild]

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call flop min-raise in hand 2

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What's Firetribe's plan for the rest of the hand?

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call the flop min raise, on a blank turn, you definitely need to call another bet, if the flush or an over hits, proceed with caution, but i don't think calling another bet when the flush hits would be bad nec.
if an ace hits and he bets, you can probably fold, he may just be repping the ace, but you dont know if he will do that so for now you can fold there.

[Austiger]

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Is it not possible for him to fold a set if we shove the turn? Also, outside of him having a Q in his hand we have 6 outs to win if called. If he has a Q we have 3 outs. I don't think shoving is that horrible here...

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He's never folding a set, EVER. Having 3 or 6 outs is not a reason to push with only 3-1 odds, especially since the only hand we beat has 7 outs against us. It's remotely possible he has AJ I guess, but when you're having to stretch like that to find hands you beat, you're beat.

Pokerstove it if you want.