****OFFICIAL BONDS USED STEROIDS THREAD*********

[Hopey]

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Barry Bonds and Pete Rose have nothing to do with each other...

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I used Pete Rose as an example of someone who was severely punished by MLB for conduct detrimental to the game. I could have used Shoeless Joe Jackson or any number of players who were punished by MLB in the past. It remains to be seen if Bonds will be punished at all by MLB. I doubt he will be, but hopefully get booed unmercifully at every ballpark he plays in will be enough to chase him out of the game.

I agree with other posters that MLB owners share a large amount of the blame for the current situation by turning a blind eye to steroids for so long.

However, the point to my previous post was that I found Bonds' to be particularly galling in that his steroid use was so obvious that it was almost farcical. He had all the tell-tale signs of a heavy steroid user, but everyone was so in love with his homerun-hitting abilities that they gave him the benefit of the doubt, even after it came out that he'd been involved with Balco.

[MoreWineII]

When the subject of steroids comes up in regards to athletes I try and get all indignant and all that, but the truth is that I don't care. If they want to shoot themsleves up with horse tranqs to hit the ball farther for my amusement, I'm okay with that. I do hate all the lying and secrecy surrounding it though.

In short, I dislike Bonds for lying and being a total [censored] sometimes (see whiny-pants interview with son prominently displayed a year or so ago) but not so much for the steroid use.

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"Anyone with half a brain could see the freakish changes that his body had undergone, and the only explanation HAD to be steroids"


I'm really sad this is turning out to be true, because the argument above sucks, and I hate that people who used it will feel validated

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Ehhh, yeah the argument isn't 100% sound. But come on, Dids. Did you see images of Bonds from 1997, then 1999?

WOW. I mean it literally looks like two different people. Transcending his perverse new muscle mass, the bone structure of his now gargantuan head had changed "overnight".

It IS POSSIBLE to throw on 15 pounds of muscle in 100 days at age 35, WITHOUT steroids, but Bonds' hints of steroid use were myriad, which leads people to assume it HAD to be 'roids.

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If we want to know who did steroids wait 10-15 years and see who is still alive.

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If we want to know who did steroids wait 10-15 years and see who is still alive.

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OMG Kirby Puckett did Roids.

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in a related story, an accountant from Tennessee named Chris Moneymaker who qualified for the World Series of Poker in a $40 satellite, won $2.5 million.

[Kneel B4 Zod]

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If steroids were available to this magnitude fifty years ago, we'd have had the same problem with them with some of the most famous names in history.


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cmon Jack. cheaters cheat. a stand-up guy back then would not have used roids, just as stand-up guys now don't.

[jesusarenque]

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i still [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] barry

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[Hopey]

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If we want to know who did steroids wait 10-15 years and see who is still alive.

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OMG Kirby Puckett did Roids.

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We don't really know if he did or not (but I highly doubt he did). However, there are plenty of former atheletes who have admitted to using steroids and who are now suffering serious health issues as a result. For instance, Ken Caminiti attributed his health issues to his years of steroid abuse, and then dropped dead a few years ago.

That being said, from now on every time a former star athlete dies at a young age, the question of whether his death was related to steroids will come up. Players like Bonds who have huge success while on steroids have placed every successful athlete from here on in under suspicion. The tragedy is that players who play by the rules, are superbly talented, work out like crazy, and live healthy lifestyles will be painted with the same brush as players like Bonds.

[craig]

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I'm not excusing what Bonds did or anything, but let's be honest here, Bonds is nowhere near unique in the history of baseball. Players have been cheating and lying as long as the game has been around.

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Sure, but there were only a handful that were eligible to be both:

A) At the top echelon of the baseball pantheon
B) Accessible to non-legal performance-enhancing methods.

Do people keep forgetting that Bonds is on the verge of passing BABE RUTH for 2nd on the all-time HR list? That is the difference between him and...Alex Sanchez.

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Willie Mays, Joe Dimaggio, Mickey Mantle, etc, etc, all took Amphetamines. These are definitely "non-legal performances-enhancing methods," and baseball agrees as they recently started testing for them...

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They are now testing for them, but I think when Mantle, Dimaggio, etc... were taking amphetamines, they were somewhat legal. They probably had prescriptions. But, if they were injecting them, then it was illegal during their time. They are "performance enhancing" because they will keep you "going" longer, but it won't necessarily make you stronger. In fact, amphetamines can still be gotten legally today. Kids are prescriped them for ADD.

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