****Official 2007 NY Mets NL East Champs Thread****

[Suigin406]

was at first annoyed when i had to miss this game and glavine's attempt at 300...

now, by just reading this i am [censored] pissed...how the [censored] do they score 2 runs against jeff [censored] suppan, this is getting to be a trend with that guy now...and i didn't even get a chance to watch

[wh1t3bread]

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was at first annoyed when i had to miss this game and glavine's attempt at 300...

now, by just reading this i am [censored] pissed...how the [censored] do they score 2 runs against jeff [censored] suppan, this is getting to be a trend with that guy now...and i didn't even get a chance to watch

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It's simple. The offense blows. This team is 9th, yes 9th in the National League in runs scored. All injuries aside that's pure crap. They just aren't hitting when they have runners in scoring position. They left at least 7 guys on base in scoring position last night. There are only two guys who seem to be swinging the bat well right now (Reyes and Wright). Delgado has looked lost almost all year. All we've seen from him is flashes here and there with what seems like 3 billion GIDP's between the flashes. Beltran is on the DL. Alou should be okay, but his timing is probably off after sitting out the last 3423 months with a quad pull. Green is pretty much a lost cause and should be platooning with Milledge in right. But they can't do that because Beltran is hurt. It's really frustrating.

Oh...and why does Sandy Alomar Sr. think that Delgado can score from first everytime someone hits a double behind him? Please stop it. At this point I'm thinking Castro might even be faster than Delgado on the basepaths. How many more times do I have to watch Delgado "slide" into home and get gunned down?

Speaking of Delgado...his fielding is so bad it makes me sick. I am inventing a new word called, "delgadoded". I will use this word and encourage others to use it as well when he [censored] up out there.

"The Mets first baseman certainly delgadoded that ball on the last play." I like it.

[Wynton]

Of course, the offense takes more of the blame than the bullpen for last night's loss. But anyone who feels confident about the bullpen is engaged in some real self-delusion.

Compare the situation to last year. Last year, I felt like the goal was to get the starters to last till the 5th or 6th inning, and if the game was still tied, I felt confident we'd win. This year, I'm not confident handing the game over to the bullpen in the 6th-8th innings without a 2 run lead.

[wh1t3bread]

I don't think anyone is exactly confident in the bullpen. It is what it is. And really if you look around the NL there are probably only 3-4 bullpens better than the Mets.

The problem with this team is the offense. Injuries haven't helped matters at all, but still. This team needs to and should be scoring more runs with that lineup. They just haven't/aren't.

All I'm saying is that the offense is a bigger concern than the bullpen.

[Wynton]

Agreed, the offense is a problem also. But the reason I'm more concerned about the bullpen in the long run is because I think we have good reason to expect the offense to improve.

Eventually, Beltran will return and he is likely to be more productive than he was during his recent slump. Reyes is starting to come out of a downswing as well. Alou is back and should help. I also think it's fair to expect LoDuca to be a lot more productive than he's been.

Of all the slumping regulars, the only ones I don't expect to improve, though they might, are Green and Delgado.

Perhaps I should be more optimistic that the relievers will improve as well, but I'm not.

[wh1t3bread]

Yeah the offense should improve but I dunno. It's just not coming together. At some point they need to wake up I guess, I just hope it's not too late. They have been pretty bad all year with runners in scoring position:

With runners in scoring position this season:
- the Mets are: .261/.349/.390 (ranked 11th)
- the NL avg: .264/.352/.420

With runners in scoring position, 2 outs this season:
- the Mets are: .225/.332/.377 (ranked 12th)
- the NL avg: .243/.352/.391

Shouldn't this lineup be above average (maybe even top 5) in these two situations?

If/when Pedro comes back, moving Sosa to the pen and maybe a rejuvenated/rested Joe Smith arm I think the bullpen has a decent chance of improving as well. The offense just needs to produce they way they should be. We've been getting exactly what we should expect this season from the bullpen.

[niss]

Of course it was not a joke. Recall that BobOjedaRetard was posting about how an upgrade at 2B was more important than the bullpen. I like the Castillo deal, but really how much of an upgrade did they get over Gotay? How much of a difference in the offense will that deal make? If anything, the upgrade is in defense (which of course is fine).

The bullpen, meanwhile, is a liability. Mota was LUCKY to get out of that inning tied. He's been dreadful, and those balls were hit HARD. Willie won't even bring Schoenweiss in any more into any kind of a close situation. Feliciano has to be dead tired. Heilman has been better of late but I don't think anyone is brimming with confidence here when he enters the game. Frankly, I was hoping that when he took Heilman out he'd bring Wagner in for a 5-out save there.

The bullpen needs an upgrade, badly. It's too bad the idiots in Baltimore paid Chad Bradford all that money, because it sounded like he was available (of course), but if the Mets weren't going to give him that contract in January they're not going to take it on now.

The problem with the offense was/is never going to be resolved by a trade. It's that the players who are the stallwarts of the offense -- players who the team is built around -- are not hitting (with one exception, pretty much). The Mets need Beltran to hit (and get back in the lineup). They need Delgado to hit. They need Reyes to hit. They need Alou to hit. They are not, and were not, going to improve their offense via a trade. What position are they going to improve? The only possible position seemed to be RF, but the names out there were not impressive, made a lot of money, and had high asking prices. I would rather see a Milledge/Green platoon (Green is hardly the worst of the Mets' problems) than see them give up a Pelfrey or a Humber for a rent-a-dud.

[wh1t3bread]

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Of course it was not a joke. Recall that BobOjedaRetard was posting about how an upgrade at 2B was more important than the bullpen. I like the Castillo deal, but really how much of an upgrade did they get over Gotay? How much of a difference in the offense will that deal make? If anything, the upgrade is in defense (which of course is fine).


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Niss. I agree with most of your points. But this still doesn't change the fact that the real problem last night was the offense and not the bullpen. They scored 2 runs in 13 innings and Jeff Suppan pitched half of those innings. It's disgraceful. I hope they are all ashamed of themselves and come out tonight and put a pounding on the Brew Crew.

[BobOjedaFan]

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Of course it was not a joke. Recall that BobOjedaRetard...

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lol

[VarlosZ]

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Oh...and why does Sandy Alomar Sr. think that Delgado can score from first everytime someone hits a double behind him? Please stop it.

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In fairness, on that play last night both throws by the defense were hard, quickly turned, and right on line, and they had to be to get the out. Delgado usually scores on that ball.