($225) a very annoying common spot ITM.

[darom03]

I could be in the wrong, but I can't see how we can disregard ICM when we still have 30% of the price pool to play for.

But of course we are in the money, and that mean we can loosen up on the push-fold botting a bit. But min raising or limping into two equal stacks are outright weak IMO. I would go over the top with a very wide range here from the BB.

Would you call an all in w A2o?

[darom03]

My re-raise range could be something along this: 22+,A2+,K7o,K5s,QJs and a few pure bluffs for variation.

[RexWoo]

darom : not to be a dick but I think you play the middle / low stackes while Ryan is a winner at the highest stackes.

Maybe you should give more credit to his opinion.

Obviously the answer of why A2 can be limped / called here is because strong hands can also be played that way.

[darom03]

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darom : not to be a dick but I think you play the middle / low stackes while Ryan is a winner at the highest stackes.

Maybe you should give more credit to his opinion.

Obviously the answer of why A2 can be limped / called here is because strong hands can also be played that way.

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I know what stakes Ryan plays. I still think limping and min-raising is a bad move, and I think I have accounted for my thoughts on the subject.

But nice of you to stick up for Ryan... I don't think he needs it though.

[RexWoo]

ok, sorry for that

[ryanghall]

Everyone,

FWIW, I think I've decided that a small raise to 900 or so w/ A2 (ofc doing this w/ AA/KK/QQ sometimes) is best here, possibly throwing in an occasional fold if I've already done this once or if players are particularly raise happy. Limping should be reserved for a hand like 98s, again, mixing in some limps with big hands (you can take down a lot of flops you miss HU anyway because everyone seems to automatically think you have AA when you limp for some reason). I'm pretty sure this is a close to optimal strategy.

[durron597]

ryan,

if it goes "call, flop no ace, donkbet" we can't do anything but fold. we also can't call a push. that's why i don't like the small raise against tough opponents.

[geo8o2]

if they call which is unlikely. and ryan throws out a c-bet. of about 1200. i think they fold enough to make it profitable. and if they don't. he'll still be left with 2000 and can go into pushbot mode. and heck he might even hit the flop so he can outright win it that way as well.

also somebody said they'll reraise with K7? i don't think their range is this wide..

[durron597]

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if they call which is unlikely. and ryan throws out a c-bet. of about 1200. i think they fold enough to make it profitable.

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ryan is in position, i asked how you respond to a donkbet

seriously, how often do good players call a raise 3 handed oop and checkfold. are you kidding me?

i think ryan already decided what he wants the right answer to be without really thinking about it (no offense)

push > fold >>>>>>>>>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> small raise

[Chipchucker5]

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ryan,

if it goes "call, flop no ace, donkbet" we can't do anything but fold. we also can't call a push. that's why i don't like the small raise against tough opponents.

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This is really the most important part of the debate IMO. I concur that this play (min raising with the intention of folding to a shove) can be the optimal play. There are some opponents that will NEVER open up their reshoving range no matter what you do, so you can min raise with these marginal hands and safely fold if they play back at you. However, against tough opponents who are paying attention, I think you're opening yourself up to be exploited if you're not shoving or folding.