Did Mike M made a mistake with the Kings? (WSOP spoiler)

[ChuckyB]

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The backer said he thought that perhaps the hand where Scott would have made quad aces did indeed effect him

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As I said before, Scott tends to play too many hands when he gets pumped up. He might have felt he was invincible with the K-9s and the Q-T and played them the same way.

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Do you think Lazar's demise a full-fledged case of tilt quickly decimating a player? Or did Lazar hink Hachem was making a play on a man who just lost a large pot?

The hand where he calls the Irish Monk's all-in (QT vs. JJ) really blew my mind. Was that tilt, or did he think Irish Monk was making a play on a player who just got beat because he was thinking Hachem was making a play on him because he just lost a large pot?

Tournament strategy makes my head hurt.

[TalkingDonkey]

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Hasan Habib folded KK preflop in WPT foxwoods (and was correct).

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So did Irie. Folding KK preflop is the nuts.

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Much much much different situation there. Hasan raised, a second player re-raised all in, and then a third player moved in over the top of both of them. In that case, the 3rd player can only have two aces.

[A_C_Slater]

Of course Matusow made a mistake with his Kings, because Lazar had pocket Aces. He's a pro he should be playing the player instead of just thinking "Oh boy I have pocket Kings, that means one thing, ALL IN!!" like some donk.

Easy fold after one look at that tellbox Lazar.

[sigurrostyp]

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Of course Matusow made a mistake with his Kings, because Lazar had pocket Aces. He's a pro he should be playing the player instead of just thinking "Oh boy I have pocket Kings, that means one thing, ALL IN!!" like some donk.

Easy fold after one look at that tellbox Lazar.

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Matusow made the correct play. All good players do that there and plus Lazar can have a wide range of hands ie JJ,QQ,AK etc. If Lazar is holding QQ here Mike Matusow looks like a genius and probably goes on to win the tournament and this thread would not exist.

[A_C_Slater]

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Of course Matusow made a mistake with his Kings, because Lazar had pocket Aces. He's a pro he should be playing the player instead of just thinking "Oh boy I have pocket Kings, that means one thing, ALL IN!!" like some donk.

Easy fold after one look at that tellbox Lazar.

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Matusow made the correct play. All good players do that there and plus Lazar can have a wide range of hands ie JJ,QQ,AK etc. If Lazar is holding QQ here Mike Matusow looks like a genius and probably goes on to win the tournament and this thread would not exist.

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Nonsense. I would have mucked my Kings face up so that everyone could see how good I play. It would also encourage them to try to run over me later and thats when I would make a move with rags. I guess this means that I am World Class because I think on such a deeper level than everyone else.

[MicroBob]

would have been really funny if he lays down his K's pre-flop there because of some tell he thinks he sees....while the rest of us knew he had QQ or 99 or QJ or something.


It's pretty easy to see those 'screaming' tells when you can both players' hole-cards.


FWIW - I lost with KK pre-flop on day 1 of the WSOP ME.
I positively knew the other guy had AA....but hell, he COULD have been playing QQ or AK really aggressively from UTG for all I knew.
Even though I thought I was up against AA I pushed anyway because folding KK pre-flop like that just isn't an option.

The chances that my read was wrong of KNOWING he had AA had to be pretty high.

I don't think good players lay down KK pre-flop. They aren't afraid to make what they know is the correct play just because they think they MIGHT get eliminated.

[sigurrostyp]

Nonsense. I would have mucked my Kings face up so that everyone could see how good I play. It would also encourage them to try to run over me later and thats when I would make a move with rags. I guess this means that I am World Class because I think on such a deeper level than everyone else.

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Matusow was the chip leader I believe. You do not make that move as chip leader?? In that situation no one in the world folds KK preflop, and that includes Bill Fillmath. And plus they all knew that Matusow was a pro, and a pro gets his money in with the best hand. I have mucked KK preflop before in my life, but not in that situation at all. And I am sure you are a brilliant poker player because we all are, but what you have to remember is that they only show a small percentage of whats actually going on at the table on TV so we have no real idea how Scott Lazar was playing. It is to easy in hinesight to look at this and say what donkish play that was by Matusow because it wasn't a donkish play it was a standard play that any PRO would make, and amateur.

[A_C_Slater]

I know siggurostyp, I know. I was just mocking the original poster. But I forgot how difficult it is to convey sarcasm when dealing with results oriented thinking. And to imply he should have folded KK preflop against a table full of aggressive TAGs who could easily be iso-raising light is absurd. Maybe if it went UTG open raise, reraise, and then reraised again he could stop to consider it.

I was assuming my use of the word "tellbox" would have tipped off my oh so subtle sarcasm at the very end. No one gets me.

[Jaksiel]

AC, I thought the sarcasm was pretty clear immediately, for whatever it's worth...

[NuklearWinter]

If I were Mike, I would have reraised to 6.66 million preflop.

but seriously this hand played itself, no matter how you look at it.

As far as the tell goes, I have seen my friends and other players do the grimace thing, then push all in or raise. Every time they have a good hand. Yet, a "good hand" could be AA-JJ or AK. Even with this "tell", Mike can't get away from playing KK for about half his stack.

If anyone is at the final table and first hand they see KK, they are thinking JACKPOT.