($225) a very annoying common spot ITM.

[middleweb]

Limping here is out of the question as well, isn't it? $675 in dead money, I think a smallish $1k-$1200 raise or fold are your only options.

[ryanghall]

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In Ryan's hand, I probably push pf. It seems like min raising or limping is way more exploitable than just open shoving.

In the hand John posted, shoving is far and away the best play, and the way hero played it is beyond bad.

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How are you going to exploit it if I mix in limping/small raising w/ premium pairs as well?

In that other hand the guy posted, whew that's bad. Easy push.

Ryan

[Chipchucker5]

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In Ryan's hand, I probably push pf. It seems like min raising or limping is way more exploitable than just open shoving.

In the hand John posted, shoving is far and away the best play, and the way hero played it is beyond bad.

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How are you going to exploit it if I mix in limping/small raising w/ premium pairs as well?

In that other hand the guy posted, whew that's bad. Easy push.

Ryan

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Ryan,

I'm not sure what type of range you're thinking of doing this with, but it seems like there would be way more marginal hands that you're doing it with than there are big hands with which you're trapping. Therefore villain could repush somewhat wide since it's like 3 to 1 against (just making that number up) you having a big hand versus having a borderline hand like A2. Do you disagree?

[darom03]

LOL @ limping.

oh, and LOL@ min betting.

Push or fold... you have too small a stack to get cute. Oh, and what Chipchucker5 said!

[Luisgallo]

Just run the numbers now.
It is pretty much a fold, since you make money only if they call with top 7%.

Ryan

If you are planning on 1,000/fold, then you should be doing this with 72o at times to no?

[TruFloridaGator]

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Just run the numbers now.
It is pretty much a fold, since you make money only if they call with top 7%.

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I was waiting for it get to be posted but yea pushing is usually very bad here but there are a lot of 2p2ers/regs that do it and it's very bad. Ax ITM does not equal a push.

[donkeykong2]

umm dont limp pls, if they call we re not a big favourite to win the hand and you will prly get pushed off too often preflop. limping monsters as well probably isnt a good idea too, as you want to use your first mover advantage by pushing here and therefore need strong hands in that range too.

[donkeykong2]

has anyone got the equilibrium ranges for this spot? would be very interested [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img].

[eurythmech]

Wow wtf, this i mind blowing.