**Official uNL Microbrew thread: July(LC/NC)** - Page 142

jk1986 · #**1411** 07-10-2007, 03:31 PM

Cardrunners is well worth it.. aba and green plastic videos FTW

derosnec · #**1412** 07-10-2007, 03:44 PM

regarding the 43s thing, i think the whole "i don't want to be exploitable" angle is silly. we're not playing against Prahlad. we're playing against people (if you table select) that put us on AK and that's about it. and even then they pay you off. disciplined solid poker > unexploitability at our stakes. just the fact that our opponents are highly exploitable is enough to warrant a tight/ABC game.

jk1986 · #**1413** 07-10-2007, 03:49 PM

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regarding the 43s thing, i think the whole "i don't want to be exploitable" angle is silly. we're not playing against Prahlad. we're playing against people (if you table select) that put us on AK and that's about it. and even then they pay you off. disciplined solid poker > unexploitability at our stakes. just the fact that our opponents are highly exploitable is enough to warrant a tight/ABC game.

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QFT
If you're raising all pocket pairs UTG etc and folding to 3bets, people aren't gonna spot and exploit that. Their 3betting range will still be ultra tight, something like, AK and QQ+.

Triggerle · #**1414** 07-10-2007, 03:52 PM

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regarding the 43s thing, i think the whole "i don't want to be exploitable" angle is silly. we're not playing against Prahlad. we're playing against people (if you table select) that put us on AK and that's about it. and even then they pay you off. disciplined solid poker > unexploitability at our stakes. just the fact that our opponents are highly exploitable is enough to warrant a tight/ABC game.

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I agree with this but there's one thing where we are exploitable. Most of our villians are "professional" one-tablers. They will pick up betting patterns on a very simplistic level. They probably won't be able to correlate your 3bets with the hands you actually showed down and adjust the range they put you on.

What they will spot and react to, however, is patterns like repeated raise/cbet/fold and stuff like turn and river checks.

netstorm · #**1415** 07-10-2007, 04:01 PM

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($70)
SB ($24.95)
BB ($55.35)
UTG ($46.10)
MP ($17.55)
Hero ($71.85)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises to $2, Button raises to $7, SB calls $6.75, 1 fold, Hero raises to $24, Button calls $17, SB raises to $25.2, Hero calls $0.94, Button calls $0.94.

Flop: ($75.60) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)



cry... and then stick it in? check/call or shove?

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Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

15,840 games 0.005 secs 3,168,000 games/sec

Board: 2c Kh 9s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 27.519% 24.39% 03.13% 3864 495.00 { QQ+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 1: 72.481% 69.36% 03.13% 10986 495.00 { AhAs }

I dont care how it gets to the middle, as long as it gets there!! =) I think a c/c or c/shove works best here

ssdex · #**1416** 07-10-2007, 04:14 PM

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($70)
SB ($24.95)
BB ($55.35)
UTG ($46.10)
MP ($17.55)
Hero ($71.85)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises to $2, Button raises to $7, SB calls $6.75, 1 fold, Hero raises to $24, Button calls $17, SB raises to $25.2, Hero calls $0.94, Button calls $0.94.

Flop: ($75.60) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)



cry... and then stick it in? check/call or shove?

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Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

15,840 games 0.005 secs 3,168,000 games/sec

Board: 2c Kh 9s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 27.519% 24.39% 03.13% 3864 495.00 { QQ+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 1: 72.481% 69.36% 03.13% 10986 495.00 { AhAs }

I dont care how it gets to the middle, as long as it gets there!! =) I think a c/c or c/shove works best here

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Villain is a pretty solid reg, I couldn't figure out what the hell he could call 24 with preflop, KK doesn't make since as he'll probably want to shove pre, but maybe not? I just have no idea what he would cold call 24 with here and not come over the top... ak suited maybe? I mean i'm never folding here, I elected to check and he shoved and I obv snap called.

Gelford · #**1417** 07-10-2007, 04:27 PM

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regarding the 43s thing, i think the whole "i don't want to be exploitable" angle is silly. we're not playing against Prahlad. we're playing against people (if you table select) that put us on AK and that's about it. and even then they pay you off. disciplined solid poker > unexploitability at our stakes. just the fact that our opponents are highly exploitable is enough to warrant a tight/ABC game.

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I have always hated the our stakes argument.

The villians at uNL are retards, so I don't have to make an effort or work on my game bofore I play high stakes (cos advanced plays don't work here anyway, and balancing is just meh etc

Followed usualy by bu hu hu 100NL/200NL is raping me.

Don't any of you have ambitions of moving up [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

ama0330 · #**1418** 07-10-2007, 04:33 PM

I think that the ability to raise a hand UTG then fold it to pressure is enough to make a villain think "hero's utg range is greater than AA/KK" and that is the objective. It doesnt matter if it is 43s or 72o. Where I disagreed with ssdex was saying that 43s is profitable as a hand rather than a bluff, where small to mid PP's are not, when the hands he posted didn't go to showdown anyway.

I think that there was some really excellent discussion in there by everyone.

Xanta · #**1419** 07-10-2007, 04:35 PM

They're nice things to think about but quite simply aren't optimal at our level. Discussion on topics like these are good because they get us thinking in the right way such that transition to higher levels is easier, but before I move up I need a bigger bankroll, and I'm going to play the most +EV game I can at 50/100NL in order to achieve that.

ama0330 · #**1420** 07-10-2007, 04:37 PM

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They're nice things to think about but quite simply aren't optimal at our level. Discussion on topics like these are good because they get us thinking in the right way such that transition to higher levels is easier, but before I move up I need a bigger bankroll, and I'm going to play the most +EV game I can at 50/100NL in order to achieve that.

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you can beat 50/100nl without raising more than AA/KK UTG. i treat discussions like that one just as theory.

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