**Official uNL Microbrew thread: July(LC/NC)**

[corsakh]

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I think that 3betting light is fine, but seems like you picked the wrong opponent...

Try playing more tables? Or meditation or something [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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He was a mf'king positionally aware regular. This was the whole foundation for this bluff. He is 25/12/3 with 26 att to steal. He raises in CO every second hand. And I was running like 14/10 or something like that for the last 150 hands.

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Bro, you can not sit here and tell me that you've never made a monkey move yourself, regardless of the odds, holdings etc. Hell, my goal is to NOT make one of these a day. Some days I make it thru, other times meh, I'm the monkey.

I have a note on my monitor telling myself to "Don't be the Monkey!"

So that said, quit being the monkey and quit whining about a 2BI downswing. Use this time of card-deadness to work on your discipline and don't pull FPS moves that probably won't work.


But if you MUST do something, try 3-betting lighter or trying different lines.

Or hell, take a few hours off and read a book, enjoy the HR Derby tonight or *gasp* find a woman [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]


We've all been thru it and just persevere bro. There is light on the other end of the tunnel. Just be glad it's not a 20 BI downswing [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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This is a whine thread [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] I demand freedom of whine.

[SirFelixCat]

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Quick ??? fellas...

What is considered "good" for W$SD?

I'd assume anyhing near or above 50%?

While we're at it, couple that with WtSD...the reason I ask is I'm curious if they are related...

What I mean is if someones a nit, say @ 20% WtSD, their W$SD should be higher, no?

But if someone is a non-nit, and their WtSD is @ 25-27%, their W$SD will be lower. I assume anyway.

That said, what's a decent range?

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felix,

a good w$sd is probably like 55%, Anywhere from 50-58 is good, anything more and your calling too little, anything less and your getting run over, went to show down obviously depends on your playing style.

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Thanks...I was hoping to get more replies on this too...

The reason I ask is that a fellow 2p2er and I were discussing this earlier and I HATE that my W$SD runs from 48-51%, usually right between 49-50%. My WtSD is usually @ 24% to go with those stats...

Now, I'm a considerable winner (at 25NL was just over 8PTBB/100 over @ 80k hands) and a 6PTBB/100 winner since the move up this month (small sample size and all that), but it seems to be pretty doggone consistent in that range.

That said, I can't really figure out how/where to get that up a little bit, because if I can up it just another % point or 2, I really feel as though I'll be crushing the game for a good bit more $$$ than I am already.


Thoughts?

[ssdex]

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Anyone else have a horrible start to the month? I'm down 21 buyins at NL50 after the first 5 days of July. I still have another 30 buyins for NL50, but I don't know if I should keep playing at that level or move down or what. I beat NL25 for ~4.3ptbb/100 over 50k hands and I was beating NL50 for ~2.4ptbb/100 over 50k hands, so I feel like moving down is moving backwards. I review hands with a friend that plays med-high stakes and, for the most part, I'm not playing bad (I run about 18/14/2.6). I just keep getting sucked out on and I can't make money with my big hands. My friend said that he didn't even think it was possible to run this bad. I don't even remember what it feels like to win anymore. Anyone have any advice? Move down? Take a break? Move up to where they respect my raises?





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Let's just say that you're running almost as bad as I am lately... I also can't seem to have a winning day anymore and I swear to god I must of had KK like 8 times in the past week up against AA and never been able to get lucky..

I even had a hand yesterday or 2 days ago in which I 4 bet a guy preflop and he CALLS with KK against my AA, sure enough flop is K high and I'm sitting there thinking, I'm shoving anything now at this point, and sure enough the flop is K high and he has KK... wtf

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i'm not sure running 2.4ptbb over 50k is "beating"... If I run 2.4 over 50k hands I am really upset... anyways downswings happen, and running bad happens, but if you are a consistant winner, and you feel like you've been losing lately, but getting your $ in good (not tilting) or letting the fact that you've dropped 21 buyins effect your play (which is not always easy to do) then stay at nl50, things will turn around.

[SirFelixCat]

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I think that 3betting light is fine, but seems like you picked the wrong opponent...

Try playing more tables? Or meditation or something [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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He was a mf'king positionally aware regular. This was the whole foundation for this bluff. He is 25/12/3 with 26 att to steal. He raises in CO every second hand. And I was running like 14/10 or something like that for the last 150 hands.

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Bro, you can not sit here and tell me that you've never made a monkey move yourself, regardless of the odds, holdings etc. Hell, my goal is to NOT make one of these a day. Some days I make it thru, other times meh, I'm the monkey.

I have a note on my monitor telling myself to "Don't be the Monkey!"

So that said, quit being the monkey and quit whining about a 2BI downswing. Use this time of card-deadness to work on your discipline and don't pull FPS moves that probably won't work.


But if you MUST do something, try 3-betting lighter or trying different lines.

Or hell, take a few hours off and read a book, enjoy the HR Derby tonight or *gasp* find a woman [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]


We've all been thru it and just persevere bro. There is light on the other end of the tunnel. Just be glad it's not a 20 BI downswing [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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This is a whine thread [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] I demand freedom of whine.

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And you have it...just saying that you may make some angry at your horrid stretch of a TWO WHOLE BUY IN DOWN SWING!!! Oh the horror!!! lol.


And you know it was a bad play too [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] So whine if you must, you have carte blanche, but keep in mind that if it's due to your own impatience and monkeyness, you'll get called out on it! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[ssdex]

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what are your numbers? I'm playing like 22/18 right now and i go to showdown 29% and win 56%....... you probably play tighter than me.... so you won't go to showdown as often...

[SirFelixCat]

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felix,
what are your numbers? I'm playing like 22/18 right now and i go to showdown 29% and win 56%....... you probably play tighter than me.... so you won't go to showdown as often...

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Nope I'm the resident LAG here in uNL, who tends to adjust his play instead of to numbers perse, but to the table dynamics. Keep in mind that I'm a B&M player moving over to online in Feb. I play up to 5/10NL live, but still grinding/learning online.

That said, I'm 23/14 w/ WtSD 24/49 W$SD. I know I know, I hear about my PFR all the time, but it really works well for me. Again, I only 4-6 table, so I am able to adjust my play from super NIT 10/8 up thru AggroMonkey 35/30 and anywhere in between, depending on what the table dictates I play, hence the odd numbers.

But as everyone here is, I'm all for new ideas and ways to improve [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[corsakh]

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felix,
what are your numbers? I'm playing like 22/18 right now and i go to showdown 29% and win 56%....... you probably play tighter than me.... so you won't go to showdown as often...

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Reverse. The laggier you play, the less showdown you have simply since most of the time you have nothing to show [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Not an absolute value of course, but the ratio of showdowns to your vpip.

[SirFelixCat]

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felix,
what are your numbers? I'm playing like 22/18 right now and i go to showdown 29% and win 56%....... you probably play tighter than me.... so you won't go to showdown as often...

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Reverse. The laggier you play, the less showdown you have simply since most of the time you have nothing to show [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

Not an absolute value of course, but the ratio of showdowns to your vpip.

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Exactly, so the nittier you are, the higher your W$SD is, where as your WtSD will be lower because you fold all but the nuts [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

So I guess I shouldn't sweat the 49% W$SD basing that off of my WtSD and VPIP I suppose...it's just irritating not being over 50% is all. Just. So. Close. Grrrrrr lol.

[corsakh]

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And you have it...just saying that you may make some angry at your horrid stretch of a TWO WHOLE BUY IN DOWN SWING!!! Oh the horror!!! lol.


And you know it was a bad play too [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] So whine if you must, you have carte blanche, but keep in mind that if it's due to your own impatience and monkeyness, you'll get called out on it! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Exactly what I want [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] I knew I was a moron before I moved the slider I just wanted a confirmation [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[SirFelixCat]

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And you have it...just saying that you may make some angry at your horrid stretch of a TWO WHOLE BUY IN DOWN SWING!!! Oh the horror!!! lol.


And you know it was a bad play too [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] So whine if you must, you have carte blanche, but keep in mind that if it's due to your own impatience and monkeyness, you'll get called out on it! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Exactly what I want [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] I knew I was a moron before I moved the slider I just wanted a confirmation [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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CONFIRMED!




In this instance at least [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]