Obvious Collusion at *edited* (Long -Cliff Notes at bottom)

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You'd have to play a ridiculous amount of hours or get absurdly lucky to make a living playing at this limit.

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that or just be good at poker.

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yeah... but even a winning player who books a win at 2 out of 3 or even 3 out of 4 sessions,

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this statement shows a fundamental lack of understanding about being a pro. 'book a win'????

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Yeah... I understand the hourly rate of return.. one big bet an hour... blah blah blah

however, in a very aggressive game like that... I think you have to have a certain standard deviation threshold... a max up and/or down for a day / session that you are ready / willing to reach.

That's what I'm referring to you.

Would you be willing to disclose what your hourly rate is in that game? I'm sure you keep great stats.

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and yes I log every session of every game I play and no I will not say my winrate in that game.

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Will you at least divulge your standard deviation quit threshold? Every poker player has one.

[HOWMANY]

God this thread made me realize that I hadn't updated my stats from playing live last weekend and when I went to update I saw that I hadn't updated for the week before either. What a bad beat, I know what the money results were but I have to basically make up the hours.

[Bicycles_Biatch]

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In addition, I have NO vested interest in making any of this up.

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your vested interest is to make yourself feel better after felting in the game. Its a common enough complaint that I have seen over the years when a semi-good player cannot handle the level of aggression thats found in a game like the 30/60 at Cantebury (perhaps the most agressive yet spew-tastic 30/60 in the country). Blaming the game rather than blaming yourself, I think we need Dr. Al in this thread.

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I posted several examples of what are KNOWN to be amateur colluder moves, and the best you can do is explain that I played K-6 from under gun. What kind of defense is that?

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I read every post in this thread, and I see no evidence of collusion. The moves you described are par for the course in that game. In my 4 years of regular live play I have only come across colluders 3x, and only one time did the floor agree with me. But I must have heard accusations at least 40-60 times, and twice I was accused of colluding too (both times the floor laughed it off, the guy was just a stuck monkey looking to pass the buck).

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I don't know of any of the other 2+2er's you're talking about.

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Spend more time in the strat forums and you would... 1/2 of them are world class players, the other 1/2 he mentioned are very good. I trust their opinions. And since I have played at Canterbury I can see how a tourist who isn't used to this level of aggression can assume there is collusion, but I sure as hell didn't see any collusion while I was playing in that game.

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You can talk about how horrible my limit game is, or how horrible the limit poker play of my friends are. That's not the issues. The issue is that there was obvious best-handing and whip-sawing going on at that table... PERIOD.

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I would guess you have never played a high limit game before, this is a standard play at the higher levels, and it gets even wilder short handed. where you will see someone go 5 bets on the flop just to fold the river because they couldn't get you to fold.

I hate to say it Bicycles_Biatch, but your evidence is inconclusive, and there seems to be more evidence that your likely wrong.

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Again... TT... I respect your opinion and appreciate your input.

However, I regularly play 40-80 at commerce, 30-60 at the Wynn, and at times I've played a bit higher on line. I am mostly a recreational player but I do keep close track of my win rate and have been a winning player since my Army days back in 1997. And I can say I've never witnessed anything like what I saw today at the short handed table (the original must move).

Furthermore, Pokerbob and the Matt Hughes looking guy to his right were good players... but to call anyone that plays 30-60 and below "world-class" is a bit of a stretch.

I've already admitted that my losses were due to bad play and some bad luck.

I actually don't feel like I was the victim of colluding in any specific hand that I played in... but it was definately going on. I'm not backing down from that point.

[Bicycles_Biatch]

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However, next time any of these players are in LA... I'll have one of the boss-men at the Bike set up any game we want to play.

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I smell road trip.

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bring it... I can win back my $1,500 [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Vehn]

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do you win?

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If you never leave stuck, you never lose.

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Will you at least divulge your standard deviation quit threshold? Every poker player has one.

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TOP SECRET.

[HOWMANY]

Schneids and BK have played up to like 1k/2k live and Schneids is like one of the biggest winners on 200/400 Stars. I think this is what he is talking about when he mentions "world class".

Knowing this makes me feel like such a stalker, I think I'm turning into PBob.

On a side note, I just realized I have won over 200 bets playing 20/40 in less than 50 hours. That is absolutely retarded. I should go pro and forget moving up from 40 to 75 and move down to 20 only.

BTW please keep argument coming, this paper looks really boring.

[*TT*]

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BTW... I think 2BB an hour in any game is a bit of a stretch (live).

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2BB/Hour is much more possible in that game than most, its super juicy. Sure the variance is insane, and I dumped a ton of bets last time I played in it, but I wished I could play that game until the day I died - it was juicy!

[PokerBob]

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Furthermore, Pokerbob and the Matt Hughes looking guy to his right were good players... but to call anyone that plays 30-60 and below "world-class" is a bit of a stretch.


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you are making a horrible leap in logic here. just because the game is relatively small does not mean the players are not excellent. a friend and i discussed this last night, and came to the conclusion that the best 9 players from MN could probably torture just about any game in the country. at least 5 of them play 200/400+ in LA and win.

[Bicycles_Biatch]

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Schneids and BK have played up to like 1k/2k live and Schneids is like one of the biggest winners on 200/400 Stars. I think this is what he is talking about when he mentions "world class".

Knowing this makes me feel like such a stalker, I think I'm turning into PBob.

On a side note, I just realized I have won over 200 bets playing 20/40 in less than 50 hours. That is absolutely retarded. I should go pro and forget moving up from 40 to 75 and move down to 20 only.

BTW please keep argument coming, this paper looks really boring.

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That's impressive... your win rate and the stakes which people are playing / winning on line.

Personally... I'm scared shatless if I keep more than $10K on a poker site. I work in banking and I'm fearful of most things when it comes to unsecured debt / non-tangible assets [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

WOW... $160 an hour in 20-40... I could buy a new house if i was that good. That's sick.

[PokerBob]

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Schneids and BK have played up to like 1k/2k live and Schneids is like one of the biggest winners on 200/400 Stars. I think this is what he is talking about when he mentions "world class".

Knowing this makes me feel like such a stalker, I think I'm turning into PBob.

On a side note, I just realized I have won over 200 bets playing 20/40 in less than 50 hours. That is absolutely retarded. I should go pro and forget moving up from 40 to 75 and move down to 20 only.

BTW please keep argument coming, this paper looks really boring.

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there are at least 2 other regulars in the CB 30 game who play 100/200+. the best limit players come from MN. this is widely known.