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05-29-2007, 06:28 PM
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Re: Can someone explain the health care \'crisis\' to me?
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From what I understand, it's basically the same as the pony crisis. * I want ponies. * I want someone else to pay for those ponies. * Nobody is getting off their ass to buy ponies for me. Hence, crisis. We need decisive action from a bold leader willing to make sacrifices in order to make this happen. [/ QUOTE ] Or maybe, it's hey I've got a lot of ponies for sale, real good expensive ponies, everybody wants one but no one wants to pay for one, I've tapped the market out, but I want to sell more somebody (big brother) help me out! 
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#22
05-29-2007, 07:06 PM
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Re: Can someone explain the health care \'crisis\' to me?
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[ QUOTE ] I want to know what is the crisis in US health care. I live in the US and purchase my own health care independantly for a very reasonable price....what am I missing? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] From what I understand, it's basically the same as the pony crisis. * I want ponies. * I want someone else to pay for those ponies. * Nobody is getting off their ass to buy ponies for me. Hence, crisis. We need decisive action from a bold leader willing to make sacrifices in order to make this happen. [/ QUOTE ] Great analogy ... if not having a pony means a death sentence to many.
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#23
05-29-2007, 07:20 PM
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Re: Can someone explain the health care \'crisis\' to me?
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[ QUOTE ] I want to know what is the crisis in US health care. I live in the US and purchase my own health care independantly for a very reasonable price....what am I missing? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] From what I understand, it's basically the same as the pony crisis. * I want ponies. * I want someone else to pay for those ponies. * Nobody is getting off their ass to buy ponies for me. Hence, crisis. We need decisive action from a bold leader willing to make sacrifices in order to make this happen. [/ QUOTE ] *phew* this thread was looking far too serious. Glad to see pvn swooped in to fix that right quick.
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#25
05-29-2007, 08:11 PM
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Re: Can someone explain the health care \'crisis\' to me?
I don't know about anyone else, but I can tell you my friend's story. He was a professional attorney. Worked in a large firm. Had health insurance through the firm because it was mandated by law. Firm chose a few policies to choose from and you had to pay a share of it. They decided that it wasn't fair to the people with kids to pay more money for health insurance so they chose a plan whereby if you have one spouse or one spouse and 16 kids it costs the same. (So the burden of those kids' insurance was borne by the childless couples).
Idiot, that he was, he did not realize that it would cost him the same to have private insurance. He paid an additional 400 buck per month to have my insurance. Then he got sick. Very sick. Had to stop working. Went on Cobra. Got 18 months of insurance. When the cobra runs out he will need private insurance. There is this Hipaa policy that he can get that will help (available only to people who were on Cobra) so his insurance for himself only will only go up to 1400 per month. (This is almost breaking even for him, but if he needs an operation it will cost 2 mil. or he dies, so he must pay.) If he moves out of the state he will lose the hipaa insurance and need to get regular private insurance. That will cost him 4500 per month. Had the gov't not interfered and "forced" his company to have insurance he would have got it privately. It would have cost him several thousand less a year because he did not have kids. When he got sick his premiums would not have gone up, and he would still be covered. Oh, and for all you SS lovers out there. Because he got sick he had to stop working. Lucky he had private disability insurance that pays 60% of his salary. It started the 2nd week he was out of work. As a part of that private contract he was forced to apply for SS disability to offset if possible. SS came through. It pays 1/4 of what the private disability paid. It costs 15 times as much for the coverage, oh, and yeah, it took 18 months before the first check arrived. Lesson: get your own bloody insurance. Don't depend on the stuff you get from your job. And get your own private disability insurance. Cheap as hell and worth every penny. And if you buy it yourself (he did not it was paid for by his job) then if you get sick all your payments are tax free, because his firm paid the premium his payments are fully taxable. Plus, he made the horrid mistake of trying to work as long as he could and even went down to part time to keep working. This "good deed" was punished because the insurance co. only pays him 60% of his last paycheck, not what he was making before he got sick. So it is better to be a deadbeat.
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#26
05-29-2007, 08:18 PM
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Re: Can someone explain the health care \'crisis\' to me?
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[ QUOTE ] Great analogy ... if not having a pony means a death sentence to many. [/ QUOTE ] Life is a death sentence. [/ QUOTE ] "On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero." Just wanted to say a quote from one of my favorite movies. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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#27
05-29-2007, 09:25 PM
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Re: Can someone explain the health care \'crisis\' to me?
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Great analogy ... if not having a pony means a death sentence to many. [/ QUOTE ] Have any of you liberals ever taken a minute to think about just who is going to die if we de-regulate health care? Most of America is insured as it is, and the status quo isn't making a whole lot of money. Now let's do the following: - Stop forcing all these Americans to pay the Medicare/aid taxes that they're getting nothing for. Their bills will also be lower, because they're not picking up the slack for treatments that medicare/aid only partially paid for. - Deregulate the insurance carriers so that the customers can actually choose what they do and do not want to be covered for. - End the war on drugs, and thus make all the drugs cheaper. - Reform the tort system so that doctors don't have to pay six figures in malpractice insurance every year. Insurance will become very, very affordable, and many more Americans will have it. The only people that won't have it under such conditions are the dregs of society. Drug addicts, lazy bums, criminals, those with horribly untreatable physical conditions...these are the people who are going to die. You know good ol' middle class hard-working Joe? Joe is going to benefit from this system. He's not going to get hurt. You know that perennially unemployed pothead friend-of-a-friend of yours who sleeps on the couch all the time? He's going to be screwed. It is so freaking easy to succeed in a free market. The only people that are going to get the shaft are going to be the losers that frankly most of us do not want in society anyway. That is who socialism helps. Still sound like a good idea?
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#28
05-29-2007, 09:28 PM
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Re: Can someone explain the health care \'crisis\' to me?
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It is so freaking easy to succeed in a free market. The only people that are going to get the shaft are going to be the losers that frankly most of us do not want in society anyway. That is who socialism helps. [/ QUOTE ] I really love reading your posts and enjoy you as a poster, but reading this frightens me. Your willingness to cast aside another human is scary.
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#29
05-29-2007, 09:31 PM
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Re: Can someone explain the health care \'crisis\' to me?
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[ QUOTE ] It is so freaking easy to succeed in a free market. The only people that are going to get the shaft are going to be the losers that frankly most of us do not want in society anyway. That is who socialism helps. [/ QUOTE ] I really love reading your posts and enjoy you as a poster, but reading this frightens me. Your willingness to cast aside another human is scary. [/ QUOTE ] You do realize that there are limited funds in the world. You can (almost) always increase someones lifespan some amount of money. Until you use all of the funds in the world to keep people alive because it is "casting another human aside". I highly doubt you feel this way, that every last dollar should be spent if it can keep someone alive a day longer. So you don't really disagree with him that "casting aside another human being" is a problem. Just you disagree with when it is ok to do so.
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#30
05-29-2007, 09:37 PM
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Re: Can someone explain the health care \'crisis\' to me?
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The only people that won't have it under such conditions are the dregs of society. Drug addicts, lazy bums, criminals, those with horribly untreatable physical conditions...these are the people who are going to die. You know good ol' middle class hard-working Joe? Joe is going to benefit from this system. He's not going to get hurt. You know that perennially unemployed pothead friend-of-a-friend of yours who sleeps on the couch all the time? He's going to be screwed. It is so freaking easy to succeed in a free market. The only people that are going to get the shaft are going to be the losers that frankly most of us do not want in society anyway. That is who socialism helps. [/ QUOTE ] Isn't socialism helping these guys now anyway? I mean I've heard of people getting SSI disability because of "alchoholism". don't they get free health care with that too? I mean I'm sure they don't get million dollar treatment, but I think they get some sort of governemnt medical plan.
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