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Old 05-23-2007, 06:46 PM
Leaky Eye Leaky Eye is offline
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Default Re: Prs to be making me less broke? Financial Follies

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Cardo,

If you could have any job/career/whatever you wanted, what would it be? And I'm not asking in a guidance-counselor way, I just think maybe if we knew that then we might be able to tailor some suggestions for you

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how exactly is that "not in a guidance-counselor way"?

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It won't end with cardo pointing to a doll to show where he was touched.
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Old 05-23-2007, 06:49 PM
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Default Re: Prs to be making me less broke? Financial Follies

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You make your own opportunities.

1. Get job
2. Do it better than all the retards
3. Opportunities present themselves

Whenever I find an employee who stands out I make it my mission to do everything I can for them. Many other people operate the same way.

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It's pretty common for people to largely build their businesses on treating people as expenses, not assets, and just using them up till they burn out, are driven to quit, or find a better opportunity. It would be nice if hard work paying off was something one could expect from low level jobs, but it's not. You're basically completely disposable and might as well be a stapler or a pair of scissors. You're "below the line," and that includes the line of consciousness.


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Yes this is exactly the trend, not just with small businesses but with departments in larger corporations as well. The 21st century American expectation seems to be that they will push you as hard as possible into paths that can be bad for your career, until you push back. Pushing back consists of flat-out refusing to do menial work. Or refusing to support old projects when you are trying to move on to new ones. Demanding that your boss pay for schooling or productivity tools. Those kinds of things. You have to mind your own career, because nobody is minding it for you. That's 21st century America.
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Old 05-23-2007, 06:57 PM
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Default Re: Prs to be making me less broke? Financial Follies

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You make your own opportunities.

1. Get job
2. Do it better than all the retards
3. Opportunities present themselves

Whenever I find an employee who stands out I make it my mission to do everything I can for them. Many other people operate the same way.

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It's pretty common for people to largely build their businesses on treating people as expenses, not assets, and just using them up till they burn out, are driven to quit, or find a better opportunity. It would be nice if hard work paying off was something one could expect from low level jobs, but it's not. You're basically completely disposable and might as well be a stapler or a pair of scissors. You're "below the line," and that includes the line of consciousness.


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Yes this is exactly the trend, not just with small businesses but with departments in larger corporations as well. The 21st century American expectation seems to be that they will push you as hard as possible into paths that can be bad for your career, until you push back. Pushing back consists of flat-out refusing to do menial work. Or refusing to support old projects when you are trying to move on to new ones. Demanding that your boss pay for schooling or productivity tools. Those kinds of things. You have to mind your own career, because nobody is minding it for you. That's 21st century America.

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This sounds really harsh and lame. I just read that sentence back. Yeah, it's totally killing my buzz.
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Old 05-23-2007, 06:57 PM
By-Tor By-Tor is offline
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/surprise that nobody took the 35k number and converted it to reflect cost of living in Texass in 1986 before jumping all over it.

We realize that I am in the Bay Area right?
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Old 05-23-2007, 07:04 PM
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This sounds really harsh and lame. I just read that sentence back. Yeah, it's totally killing my buzz.

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FWIW I think a lot of people start to naturally start to work harder in their late twenties, at whatever they find themselves doing. Interests change. Work becomes more of a passion, and also somewhat fun. I have no idea if this applies to you, or what you will be doing. I hope it does.
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Old 05-23-2007, 07:06 PM
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wow at this thread still going. anacardo, truly you are a giant among trolls.

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Quality post, it really is good you got that in there. I am not sure if this thread would have been the same w/o your contribution.

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making a zero content comment about a zero content comment is worse than making the original zero content comment, do you see why?

another question...you don't think anacardo's posts (i'm thinking particularly of this one and the monster one about how depressed he is from the ElD forum) are a bit trollish?

edit: i'm detecting a pattern here
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Old 05-23-2007, 07:18 PM
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Default Re: Prs to be making me less broke? Financial Follies

Cardo, there are plenty of businesses that use their employees and have their employees use them right back. Rather than falling into that self-centered rat race, try to find a company that has a positive groupthink thing going on.

Still though, it shouldn't be that depressing to have to push back and set boundaries to make sure your company doesn't take advantage of you. You need to take charge over your own career.
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Old 05-23-2007, 07:20 PM
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On the troll scale I think EvanJC >>>> Cardo. For all the bad things I might say about the guy, he's not doing this to get attention, he's just really this weird.
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Old 05-23-2007, 07:32 PM
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Cardo,

Eventually the voice in your head will shut the F' up. But only after it realizes that you're no longer listening. Until then it will continue to be right. You can argue with it all you want, but it will always win. Because it is you. And only when you change, will the voice change. And the only way to do that is by ignoring it. And once you finally learn to do that, you will look back and see that it was wrong all along. Argue for your limitations, and they're yours.

Examine carefuly the following two paragraphs. The first was writen by aba. The other, some random loser.
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yes I am working on my HU game. It needs another 6 months tho before I am ready for that.

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It's not fear. It's just knowing how things will turn out to a high degree of accuracy. I very usually know within five minutes of watching a Mavericks game who will win. I know within the first three touches of a fencing bout whether I will win or lose. I know within fifteen minutes of meeting a girl whether she'll shoot me down or not.

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Do you think aba got to where he is by reading Shakespear and arguing on the internet all day long?

Studying and learning poker concepts train your mind to recognize specific situations so that you respond accordingly with the most +EV play. The more effort you put into studying and thinking about the game ---> the more knowledge you'll ingrain into your subconcious mind ---> the more situatations you will be able to recognize. Pretty simple stuff obv. The same appplies for recognizing certain situations in life and acting appropriately. It's got nothing to do with envisioning fluffy bunnies, and all to do with reconditioning the ways you act and react. Its not about gay positive affirmations, so stop thinking Saturday Night Live. It's about reprograming your brain so you behave like a sane human being.

How you act is who you become. Period.You want to be an optimistic, enthusiastic person? Act like an optimistic, enthusiastic person. The corrisponding feelings come along afterword, not beforehand. This of course sounds way to ridiculous, unappealing, and embarassing for most people to even consider, which is why hardly anyone ever changes. Act as though there's a reason for living, and lo and behold, one will present itself. It may well be fun to be the current laughing stock of 2+2. But as soon as this thread dies down, you will return to hell.

It's of great difficulty to properly articulate these concepts to people who are otherwise ignorant. All of what I'm writing means very little to you now because you don't yet have the capacity to understand it. You can read what I've written, you can ponder it, you can form an opinion about it, and you can debate it. But you can't understand it. Because "understanding" is simply an arrangement of molecules in your brain that you build through repetition. You haven't built that particular arrangement yet, so you can't understand it.

Before you began to play poker, did you understand it? Before you began fencing, did you understand it?

You will never understand anything before you begin it. Only after repetition of thought and action does understanding come along.

Understand?

This is why you should never dismiss anything out of hand before you take the time to properly understand it.

Everything that ever was, and everything that every will be. From a tiny grain of sand, to the vast emptiness of space. From that chair that you're sitting in, to the monitor you're staring at – Do not. Have not. And never will exist. Except within the confines of that tiny, tangled mess of circuitry you carry around called your brain. You can never escape the matrix because the matrix is your mind.

Now explain to me again why you can't take control of three pounds of rubbery meat.

Be humble and stop thinking you're so great. Only by doing so will you be able to do great things.You love writing? Start writing a book. Write one page a week for the next 300 weeks. Can't think of anything to write about? Begin writing about the time you went from being a complete madman to a best-selling author. It'll be a work in progress. The first few chapters would be rambling gibberish and would slowly evolve into a work of genius.
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Old 05-23-2007, 07:54 PM
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That was a strange post. My original point not only still stands, you didn't address it. Why?

P.S.: I don't recall saying everyone who worked at McDonalds would become the CEO. Your post is kind of flying off the handle in a buncha directions.

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You didn't say everyone who worked there would become the CEO.

You did say it was a dead end job, there was no way to excel, and no one would notice if you tried.

Your question asking what percentage of all employees went on to ownership or management was irrelevant because the fact that some do in itself proves that even working at McD's can be an opportunity for someone willing to excel.
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