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Old 05-22-2007, 02:13 PM
Tryptamean Tryptamean is offline
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Default Re: Live 3/6: AA in BB

There is 10BB before the river action, if you bet and he raises, u will be getting 13-1 on a river call. It could be close depending on your read, but a lot of time these nitty old live players are reliable enough to fold in an even larger pot.
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Old 05-22-2007, 02:21 PM
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Default Re: Live 3/6: AA in BB

I think I would play it the same. A case can be made for betting the river, but I think you can go either way.
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Old 05-22-2007, 03:30 PM
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Default Re: Live 3/6: AA in BB

With that river to that board, I check-call. With a flush-draw flop coming through and about 15 straight combinations getting there (that a player got to play PF for 1 bet, then 1 more), betting is troubling.

If MP will bet more hands than he'll call with, this is an easy check/call.
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Old 05-22-2007, 03:42 PM
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I considerd the B/F line but I have really tough time with the B/F line anytime. It also says in SSHE to not fold for one bet in a large pot if you are not sure your beat doesn't it? Pot was good-sized, my read on him was solid, I was going to showdown. Good chance I was beat but not 100% sure in a big pot.

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MP is older guy who doesn't raise at all PF and only raises on the river when his hand gets there.

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Would make this a very easy b/f. This isn't a guy who would be raising the river with a lesser hand. He isn't that sophisticated. One reason is there's likely no hand he'd play the way you did that he'd fold on the river so he'd be expecting you to call that raise.

If you do c/c this, and he either doesn't bet, or bets with a lesser hand, I'd be much more inclined to bet into him on later hands in this same type of situation. Especially if he checks behind. Doubtful he'd bet a worse hand given his description.

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Old 05-23-2007, 02:43 PM
Hair_of_the_Dog Hair_of_the_Dog is offline
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No sense betting on the river. If he made his hand he calls or reraises and takes the pot and if he missed his hand he'll probably fold. He may be betting top pair/ decent kicker but if that's the case he'll probably just call your bet anyway. If you bet and have the best hand at showdown you're either gonna get zero or one bet from villian with the odds favoring zero. If you bet and villian made the hand you'll probably pay two bets (you have to call the reraise just for info on the tell). Why risk two bets to gain one or, more likely, none?

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That is pretty much out of Theory of Poker and it is correct. Nice.
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Old 05-23-2007, 03:39 PM
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Default Re: Live 3/6: AA in BB

bet the river. you can fold to a raise.

alot of times that premature chip fondling is a ploy to induce you to check. the times it is, you lose a bet.
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Old 05-23-2007, 04:50 PM
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No sense betting on the river. If he made his hand he calls or reraises and takes the pot and if he missed his hand he'll probably fold. He may be betting top pair/ decent kicker but if that's the case he'll probably just call your bet anyway. If you bet and have the best hand at showdown you're either gonna get zero or one bet from villian with the odds favoring zero. If you bet and villian made the hand you'll probably pay two bets (you have to call the reraise just for info on the tell). Why risk two bets to gain one or, more likely, none?

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That is pretty much out of Theory of Poker and it is correct. Nice.

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To a point. If you can fold to a raise, this is an easy bet. This type will usually call with many hands that he wouldn't bet with when checked to, yet only raise a better hand. His range is much wider for a calling hand of a bet than a bet when checked to(induced bluff) or raise. In that case, this would be a bet(also right out of TOP). The factor of him going for chips makes this very player dependent.

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