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Old 05-20-2007, 03:09 AM
holdem17 holdem17 is offline
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Do you push this? Let's say blinds are 200/400 with 4 people and the shortest stack has 400 chips left. You are in the sb with 3000 chips and the bb has 6000. The other guy has 4100. Do you risk pushing into bb? I'm thinking you should push this because bb won't call you with crap like KJo or would he? #2 Would you push it if you had 4000 chips?

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I don't think I would be pushing anything here. Short stack has 1 BB. Letting him bust is the most +EV.
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Old 05-20-2007, 11:57 AM
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Do you push this? Let's say blinds are 200/400 with 4 people and the shortest stack has 400 chips left. You are in the sb with 3000 chips and the bb has 6000. The other guy has 4100. Do you risk pushing into bb? I'm thinking you should push this because bb won't call you with crap like KJo or would he? #2 Would you push it if you had 4000 chips?

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I don't think I would be pushing anything here. Short stack has 1 BB. Letting him bust is the most +EV.

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What about same chip sizes but different positions. Let's say the 6000 stack is sb and 4100 stack is bb. You have 3000 on the co and the lowest stack is 400 on the button. You have AKo and the blinds are 200/400. Do you push or fold? Do you fold here even with 10's?
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Old 05-20-2007, 12:06 PM
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Default Re: LC: Cure for bubbling

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Against people that you know will bully you if you raise when there is a short stack would limping work against that strategy.

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If you are playing against a good player who will shove over a standard raise, then you need to openshove or fold, even if it is more than 10bb. Their bullying only works if you let them have FE.
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Old 05-20-2007, 12:12 PM
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Against people that you know will bully you if you raise when there is a short stack would limping work against that strategy.

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If you are playing against a good player who will shove over a standard raise, then you need to openshove or fold, even if it is more than 10bb. Their bullying only works if you let them have FE.

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LOL how come I didn't think of that. It makes alot of sense. Great wise noodleman =0.
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Old 05-20-2007, 07:55 PM
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Default Re: LC: Cure for bubbling

stupid people = bubbles

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t200/t400
(Ante: t25)
4 players
Converter

edit: stack sizes help
Seat 3: hero (5595 in chips)
Seat 4: SB (2528 in chips)
Seat 5: BB (2629 in chips)
Seat 7: CO (2748 in chips)

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises all-in t5570</font>, <font color="#cc0000">SB calls all-in t2303</font>, BB folds.
Uncalled bets: t3067 returned to Hero.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (t3403, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: t5506)


Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (t3403, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: t5506)


River: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (t3403, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: t5506)


Results:
Final pot: t3403
SB showed Qh Tc

chat from the SB afterwards:

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"you're bluffing too much. A A every hand??"

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Old 05-20-2007, 09:10 PM
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Do you push this? Let's say blinds are 200/400 with 4 people and the shortest stack has 400 chips left. You are in the sb with 3000 chips and the bb has 6000. The other guy has 4100. Do you risk pushing into bb? I'm thinking you should push this because bb won't call you with crap like KJo or would he? #2 Would you push it if you had 4000 chips?

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I don't think I would be pushing anything here. Short stack has 1 BB. Letting him bust is the most +EV.

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What about same chip sizes but different positions. Let's say the 6000 stack is sb and 4100 stack is bb. You have 3000 on the co and the lowest stack is 400 on the button. You have AKo and the blinds are 200/400. Do you push or fold? Do you fold here even with 10's?

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I would limp and hope that big stacks wont push. I would only do this if they aren't bullying. If they are, fold.
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Old 05-21-2007, 11:33 AM
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The key as someone else mentioned is looking for the guy who just wants to get itm. You will know him by a few things. First if he does push and he has a big hand ...thats a good start. Second he folds his SB alot when no one else has entered the pot. Third he is not pushing on the button really at all

If you observe all three of these behaviors in a player at least at low stakes then you can prob pick on him quite abit
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Old 05-21-2007, 01:57 PM
Dr_Jeckyl_00 Dr_Jeckyl_00 is offline
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For low buy ins the answer is simple.

You bubble more than you should because often times folding is a VERY +EV play if your opponents are prone to calling all ins way too much.

Example: on the bubble and everyone has 2000 chips with blinds of 100/200 and you have a marginally plus ev hand on the button. You put the BB on a wide calling range and the you know the SB will push any two into the BB. Lets say that if you push here it's marginally +EV, BUT it's MORE +EV to fold and have the bubble burst a lot of the time.

Think about it, how can you beat sngs when people call too much? You'll see these calls way more at the $6 tables than the $215's but nobody would claim that the latter was easier. $EV can be gained in many ways don't think that pushing or calling decisions that are +$EV are necessarily the optimal play at certain tables.

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This is great advice!
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