Tilter's Annonymous. All tilters welcome.

[train.]

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My name is dboy, and I am a tilter. The only way I can avoid tilt is to play 12 tables and outfold everyone.

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Hello, my name is train. and i am a Legendary Tilter. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

'nother nice post guru.

[Befolder]

I wanted to add to this that I've also hit a pretty harsh break even stretch lately. It started w/ a downswing though and I seem to be having more and more sessions that I end up a loser or my wins are marginal. I also feel like I've played fairly well during most of these sessions.

I'm starting to wonder some of it may be due to my underestimating how the U.S. legislation has affected the games. They percentage of the poorest players has certainly gone down, which would make it harder to post normal win rates due to folks not paying you off as much on your big hands, and also making smarter plays against you.

That fact might also induce tilt quicker than normal during a session since you're more likely to start yourself in a hole due to better than previous competition on average.

Strangely for me, the Absolute 6M games have been easiest for me lately. I also play at UB and FT. They are crazy aggro, but I just call down heads up a lot, and I mean a lot more. I'll win w/ ace high more often than I expect to.

Sustaining your A game as long as possible is probably a top skill to have right now w/ the texture of the games as they are.

[Neku]

Hi, my name is Neku and I tilt just about every time I flop two pair (*got to see this down*). It's costing me, oh yeah.

[sweetjazz]

I'm sweetjazz and I tilt but it's all good because the Jazz are in the Western Conference Finals!!

On a serious note, I think you're a good player guru, but I think a lot of your tilt is related, to some degree, to the fact that you tend to feel the need not to appear weak. In watching your heads up match with JoeTall, I think you showed a lot of unwarranted aggression on the flop and turn that left you with difficult spots on the river. Making these mistakes leads to increased variance and a lower winrate, and this leads to more downswings and potentially more tilt.

As another example, I think your post about the AJ hand on the J987 board (with the specific action given that I won't repeat) indicates that you sometimes worry too much about how others perceive you instead of what the maximal EV play is.

I have some similar weaknesses in my game, so that's probably why I can spot them in yours. I haven't been able to eliminate them entirely, but I do think I have improved them and that helps me tilt a bit less.

[Guruman]

Hi Jazz,

This observation reminds me of a rebuilding post that TT made a little while back. He said that he moved from FR to SH to HU, and then when making the move back the other way he found himself spewing chips all over the place because things that make sense HU have no business going on when four-handed or more. I've begun to sympathize with his sentiment.

I don't think its an issue with 'appearing' weak, it may be an issue with being worried about actually playing weakly. I also don't disagree that this is a deficiency in my game, though the point of this specific thread is to address the tilt - which I believe is costing me more than the overaggressive mistakes.

I've been reflecting a little more on how to affect change. Here's what I've come up with:

1) tiltblocker is going back into effect. If I can't play well when I don't know how I'm doing in the session then I'm doomed forever, so its time to face the that demon again. No knowledge of table stakes for me for the foreseeable future. I played a short session with tiltblocker back in effect the other day, and I felt pretty weak/tight though I'm sure it was actually much more patient/solid than I tend to play.

2) Practice makes perfect. I'm going to come up with two mental images of what my A game looks like. The first will be when I'm dealt 24o utg. The second will be when I'm dealt QTo on the button after a loose limper. I'll post them here later. Once I've attained the image of what it will be that I do, I'll make an attempt to reach that level of poker on a consistent basis. I anticipate my A game taking a large amount of mental energy and focus, so at first I may only be able to go 4 or 5 hands before falling apart but if I keep practicing I should be able to run at longer and longer stretches before breaking.

[bbbushu]

I DONT KNOW IF ITS TILT BUT I SURE AM LOSING MONEY LATELY.

[KingOtter]

I'm KingOtter, and I don't think I tilt very much.

When I do, 99% of my tilt comes from bankroll pressures. If I'm trying to reach a certain bankroll amount, and I lose it affects me so much more.

I do constantly track my results for the current session, but honestly don't think that affects me unless my brain is on my bankroll and how far I am from where I want to be.

So I try to keep my game as far within my bankroll as I can stand, and it helps.

If I was a 'pro', I think I'd be much more prone to tilt... which is why unless I hit some major tournie wins, I doubt I'm ever going to make a substantial income from poker.

[bbbushu]

CHASE THE LOSS AND WIN IS TODAY'S LESSON [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[SomthingOrOther]

What about statistacal anomaly tilt.

I started MTT's a few days ago. Ive played 5 since then and busted out to a 2-3 outer on everyone. I felt in each one i was playing soooo good. Got my money in 10-1 on every account.

Then i started thinking, this cant be happening. Its impossible. Then i thought of how may other crazy things happen in poker, i started losing failth, i tilted and my game suffered, alot.

Im a tilter.

[Guruman]

Progress today.

The tilt blocker really helped out today. I was underestimating how much having the constant measuring of my roll was affecting me by quite a lot.

-Played patiently today.
-Didnt advance past the flop without a plan, especially from oop.
-Had a mark at each table.
-I think I played the flop and river a lot better than I have in a while. Didn't spew by acting too fast on the end or valuebetting in bad spots, I think I folded appropriately, and I'm sure I showed down as much as I usually do, just cheaper than I tend to do. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
-Took notes and used them in hands:
--threebet a loose aggro from the button w QTo, then valuebet when the Q caught.
--had a note that says something like "plays big draws super fast on the flop" - then got involved on a drawy board on the flop with mid pair and showed down a winner, valuebetting the blank turn accordingly.
--used a read to execute a free sd raise in a spot where villain had donked the turn w a gutshot and overs, winning an extra bet.
--used a read and a 'blink' moment to show down a mid pp vs a turn checkraise that ended up being a semibluff.

-I don't think I raise/folded anywhere
-Kept the session short - 37 minutes of two tables avging probly 3 players per table. Lot of that was HU at one table where I was just abusing the poor guy, and 5 handed at another table where I was calmly bleeding.

-booked a nice little win. 30bb [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

baby steps baby. aw yeah.