ZeeJustin the next to get caught multi accounting Party MTTs

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I find many of the moral condemnation posts completely unbelievable. Look at the situation: this is a teenager, who has two choices:

1: Make hundreds of thousands of dollars extra by "cheating," an activity that has no legal ramifications at all. The worst that will happen to you is some of your money will get taken away and you will be flamed on an internet message board.

2: Make less money honestly.

When the difference between 1 and 2 is hundreds of thousands of dollars, I find it entirely unsurprising that ZJ would pick #1. Most of us have never been put in this situation, but I would imagine that a great many would also pick #1.

I agree with everyone who said that it's unethical. I especially agree with what ElD said about being harsh on those who cheat. I agree with everyone who said his response was poor. However, I challenge people to say to me with a straight face that it is not entirely understandable what ZJ did.

It's worthless to take the holier than thou attitude until you've been faced with the temptation and have overcome it.

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Your post makes no sense. Most people who has had a responsible job have had the chance to steal money. In corporate life, many workers are exposed to situations in which it would be easy to steal $1mill+ , however only a small minority does it. You apologists seem to forget that there is a CHOICE involved here, you can be a scumbag or a man.

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there is a substantial difference between corporate theft and multiaccounting. I think you can figure that out.

[Arnfinn Madsen]

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I find many of the moral condemnation posts completely unbelievable. Look at the situation: this is a teenager, who has two choices:

1: Make hundreds of thousands of dollars extra by "cheating," an activity that has no legal ramifications at all. The worst that will happen to you is some of your money will get taken away and you will be flamed on an internet message board.

2: Make less money honestly.

When the difference between 1 and 2 is hundreds of thousands of dollars, I find it entirely unsurprising that ZJ would pick #1. Most of us have never been put in this situation, but I would imagine that a great many would also pick #1.

I agree with everyone who said that it's unethical. I especially agree with what ElD said about being harsh on those who cheat. I agree with everyone who said his response was poor. However, I challenge people to say to me with a straight face that it is not entirely understandable what ZJ did.

It's worthless to take the holier than thou attitude until you've been faced with the temptation and have overcome it.

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Your post makes no sense. Most people who has had a responsible job have had the chance to steal money. In corporate life, many workers are exposed to situations in which it would be easy to steal $1mill+ , however only a small minority does it. You apologists seem to forget that there is a CHOICE involved here, you can be a scumbag or a man.

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there is a substantial difference between corporate theft and multiaccounting. I think you can figure that out.

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Absolutely, my point is that most people are put in situations where they can make money in an unethical way, but they CHOOSE not to. His argument that the majority who condemn ZJ haven't had the opportunity, is flawed.

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My first post on 2+2.

Apologies but I stopped reading on about page 66 because this thread seemed to become more about the ethics of people who associate with ZJ as opposed to the man himself and his cheating ways.

I'm an average player that tries to get into the money on MTT's with solid play and the hope that a bit of luck will come my way when the odds are 50 / 50 and I'm all in.

Now and again I place and get a big win, but most of the time I lose the coinflips or play a hand badly. What I'm rambling round to say is that it's bloody hard to get anywhere in a MTT without having

a) To face (and beat) an excellent player 6 times.
b) To be at a disadvantage because he knows four / six / eight etc cards in the deck when I know only two pre flop.

Lastly - I work hard for a living. Unlike some of you who are better players than me I have to put in a 60 hour week running a business. In my spare time I like to play poker where I'll put some of this hard earned money at stake against other people. When I lose I try not to feel jealousy towards those that have gained as they played a better game than me or they had a bit more luck on the day.

However - the more I think about this issue the angrier I get when I think some scum bag (yes he's a scum bag) has STOLEN from me using unfair advantages that I would never employ.

So in essence Mr scum bag ZJ I dislike you and anyone who acts like you. I'll go further to say that even if you had thrown your hands up and apologised rather than posting the faeces filled diatribe that you did - I would still dislike you.

I sincerely hope you take some of the posters advice on here and leave the USA to carry on your life in another country. I say that because I might get lucky and you'll choose the UK. Then I shall have the great pleasure of entering the same tourney as you and kicking you square in your pre pubescent nuts.

Thanks for listening.

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I find many of the moral condemnation posts completely unbelievable. Look at the situation: this is a teenager, who has two choices:

1: Make hundreds of thousands of dollars extra by "cheating," an activity that has no legal ramifications at all. The worst that will happen to you is some of your money will get taken away and you will be flamed on an internet message board.

2: Make less money honestly.

When the difference between 1 and 2 is hundreds of thousands of dollars, I find it entirely unsurprising that ZJ would pick #1. Most of us have never been put in this situation, but I would imagine that a great many would also pick #1.

I agree with everyone who said that it's unethical. I especially agree with what ElD said about being harsh on those who cheat. I agree with everyone who said his response was poor. However, I challenge people to say to me with a straight face that it is not entirely understandable what ZJ did.

It's worthless to take the holier than thou attitude until you've been faced with the temptation and have overcome it.

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Your post makes no sense. Most people who has had a responsible job have had the chance to steal money. In corporate life, many workers are exposed to situations in which it would be easy to steal $1mill+ , however only a small minority does it. You apologists seem to forget that there is a CHOICE involved here, you can be a scumbag or a man.

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there is a substantial difference between corporate theft and multiaccounting. I think you can figure that out.

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Absolutely, my point is that most people are put in situations where they can make money in an unethical way, but they CHOOSE not to. His argument that the majority who condemn ZJ haven't had the opportunity, is flawed.

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I'm pretty sure if the punishment for the crime would be to take back only a portion of the money, most wouldn't consider it unethical, or would forgo their ethics for millions.

And yes, some people will still do it anyway. Enron, having been brought up already, is a fine example.

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Wayfare - You're forgetting a pretty key consequence. Not being able to play at party poker (if he is actually unable to play there again) he is giving up hundreds of thousands in future income that he could make honestly. He will probably get banned elsewhere as well, so he is losing the ability to make his money honestly across several sites. Since he clearly didn't care about doing anything wrong or unethical, this should have been a key factor in the decision making process, if it wasn't, I wouldn't be surprised.

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Absolutely, my point is that most people are put in situations where they can make money in an unethical way, but they CHOOSE not to. His argument that the majority who condemn ZJ haven't had the opportunity, is flawed.



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Agreed, most of these posters who claim we shouldn't comment on this until we are in the same situation are clueless - and obviously young.

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1: Make hundreds of thousands of dollars extra by "cheating," an activity that has no legal ramifications at all. The worst that will happen to you is some of your money will get taken away and you will be flamed on an internet message board.

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Your post makes no sense. Most people who has had a responsible job have had the chance to steal money. In corporate life, many workers are exposed to situations in which it would be easy to steal $1mill+ , however only a small minority does it. You apologists seem to forget that there is a CHOICE involved here, you can be a scumbag or a man.

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I'm not addressing the issue of the temptation, but I do want to point out that the legal issues of stealing from a company are MUCH more serious than the legal issues of cheating on a poker site. While reputation and account balances may suffer, I highly doubt ZJ is going to stand in front of a judge for this whereas a corporate criminal most certainly would, especially in today's environment.

I'm not disagreeing with you that people should be able to resist the temptation to cheat online poker, I'm just saying I think you ignored that difference in your response.

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It's worthless to take the holier than thou attitude until you've been faced with the temptation and have overcome it.



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LOL - pretty much everyone on this site who plays online has had the opportunity to cheat, the "temptation" if you will, and the vast majority have somehow managed to overcome it.

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I find many of the moral condemnation posts completely unbelievable. Look at the situation: this is a teenager, who has two choices:

1: Make hundreds of thousands of dollars extra by "cheating," an activity that has no legal ramifications at all. The worst that will happen to you is some of your money will get taken away and you will be flamed on an internet message board.

2: Make less money honestly.

When the difference between 1 and 2 is hundreds of thousands of dollars, I find it entirely unsurprising that ZJ would pick #1. Most of us have never been put in this situation, but I would imagine that a great many would also pick #1.

I agree with everyone who said that it's unethical. I especially agree with what ElD said about being harsh on those who cheat. I agree with everyone who said his response was poor. However, I challenge people to say to me with a straight face that it is not entirely understandable what ZJ did.

It's worthless to take the holier than thou attitude until you've been faced with the temptation and have overcome it.

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well stated.

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Spare me. That post is a bunch of nonsense.

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I find many of the moral condemnation posts completely unbelievable. Look at the situation: this is a teenager, who has two choices:

1: Make hundreds of thousands of dollars extra by "cheating," an activity that has no legal ramifications at all. The worst that will happen to you is some of your money will get taken away and you will be flamed on an internet message board.

2: Make less money honestly.

When the difference between 1 and 2 is hundreds of thousands of dollars, I find it entirely unsurprising that ZJ would pick #1. Most of us have never been put in this situation, but I would imagine that a great many would also pick #1.

I agree with everyone who said that it's unethical. I especially agree with what ElD said about being harsh on those who cheat. I agree with everyone who said his response was poor. However, I challenge people to say to me with a straight face that it is not entirely understandable what ZJ did.

It's worthless to take the holier than thou attitude until you've been faced with the temptation and have overcome it.

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well stated.

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Spare me. That post is a bunch of nonsense.

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I apparently have less faith in people than you do.