ZeeJustin the next to get caught multi accounting Party MTTs

[The once and future king]

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Curtains, I am with you here, but I think your example was way off.

A better would be drunk driving. How many have friends (or themselves) who drink and drive? If you drink and drive you are 100x worse than JJ or ZJ. If you know someone who does, and dont turn them in, you are 1000000 x worse than curtains or Shane.

Lets get back on some more average sized horses for a little while.

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Whilst I look the other etc on occasions etc this example does not hold. In this example the drunk driver drives drunk, but only potentialy put others at risk. If this potential is realised e.g. they hit someone I would report them. If it is not then I probably wouldnt comment.

I do allow friends to do things that put others at risk and maybe I shouldnt. However I would consider myself a total scumbag if a friend did actualy harm someone via this risk and then I continued to just stand bye. I would inform the relevant authorities if they were not allready cognisant of the situation.

In the ZJ case, ZJ and other multiple accounters are in fact doing harm to others. They are the drunk drivers that have in fact hit the kid to use your illustration. The harm risk has been realised.

I do not look the other way when people act in such a way that another person becomes an actual realised victim rather than just a potential one. I think this is fairly standard.

ZJ entering multiple accounts into the same MTT creates multiple victims. That is as clear as day.

[TomBrooks]

Would anyone mind if a really poor player entered a tournament with more than one account, thereby adding additional dead money to the pot? Assume someone who had little chance of making it into the money.

[yid3655]

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Would anyone mind if a really poor player entered a tournament with more than one account, thereby adding additional dead money to the pot? Assume someone who had little chance of making it into the money.

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Yes because they would still be increasing their chances and allowing themself a chance (no matter how minimal) to actually get on the same table together where the advantage (even to a bad player) would be huge

[Sam T.]

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I have been at the same table as myself.

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I assume this ends the "It can't happen in large tournaments debate." More importantly, though, was it awkward that they were wearing the same outfit?

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It got to the point where everyone knew that ZeeJustin would steal the blinds often, and everyone called him liberally. I created these accounts to erase this loose image. Everyone would be readless against me, and it was a huge advantage.

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Yes, this is why Phil Ivey wore a fake mustache and sombrero to the WSOP.

I assume that he also turned off PokerTracker, didn't consult notes, and put tape over the names of all his opponents so that he wouldn't have reads on them, and the playing field would be level.

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All of the money that was seized from me was from sit’n’go play where nothing unethical was done.

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Someone look up the word "fungible" please. Unless he wrote "$600+40" on every electric dollar he won in the PPM, and withrew them first, this claim is just bizarre.

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Most of us are too greedy to pass up money that easy.

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Well there you go then.

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"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."

[TomBrooks]

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All you had to do was click the PartyPoker icon on your desktop very rapidly. If you did that, multiple clients would open up.

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I tried doing this and it didn't work. Has anyone been able to get Party to open multiple times?

[Baulucky]

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"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."

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Now, finally, we got to the bottom line. Thanks.

[yid3655]

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All you had to do was click the PartyPoker icon on your desktop very rapidly. If you did that, multiple clients would open up.

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I tried doing this and it didn't work. Has anyone been able to get Party to open multiple times?

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I think he means on the old client

[Jason Strasser (strassa2)]

This entire JJ Prodigy and ZeeJustin debacle should be shedding light on the overall world of online poker.

I had a realization last year. I had an excellent night at the tables, and stayed up all night in my dorm room. The sun came out, and right as I was thinking about crashing, I went outside my room to get some water. As I walked down the hall, I saw my neighbor heading out of the dorm room. We got in a conversation, and he was waking up to tend the Washington Duke golf courses, where he got paid $9/hour. Then he’d attend class. He is now at NYU Law School, and he’s a very smart kid.

This situation is obviously very generic and frequent, but for some reason this really hit home. I could’ve taken my friend into a room for one day, and taught him how to make way more than his wage. Poker has created unbalance in society. I really should not be able to use my non-exceptional mind to make the money that I am making.

The bottom line is this: making money at poker is far easier than it should be right now. Not to sound arrogant, but the most comforting aspect of poker for me is not the tons of online fish who dump money, but it’s the players who are winning that money. The fact that, in my mind, there are so many players out there raking in huge dollars, who in my opinion, are not very good/talented/smart and who don’t really go through cogent thought processes, is very comforting for me. When I show up at a tournament and see all these ‘pros’ who make over 100K/year and who just don’t impress me, I don’t panic about poker disappearing with the fish.

But off this tangent—poker, as it stands now, is not sustainable. That is blatantly obvious. But the current state of the game has produced many young players who are, for the most part are fairly smart but not exceptional, banking hundreds of thousands of dollars. A lot of these kids did not go to college and severely lack perspective on the world they live in. Majority of their friends are other poker players. They are very isolated from the real world because in the real world, a 16 year old who understands folding equity shouldn’t be able to drag in 6-figures. They obviously have a certain combination of traits which allow them to be successful, but please, if you want to sit here and call ZeeJustin or JJProdigy or myself ‘great minds’ or ‘prodigies’, you are out of your mind.

When I first heard about Justin getting in trouble, I felt terrible. It made me sick to see people on here bashing this young kid. For the most part, these attacks are justified, but I it’s just not my personality to gang up on someone, especially a friend, when he is down. I also, do not come from a totally ‘honest’ background. There are definitely things I have done in online poker that are on the borderline, especially when you start talking about ‘one player to a hand.’ I have never Multi-accounted, though, because that struck me as being fairly obviously immoral.

ZeeJustin’s ‘My Statement’ post was disgusting, but illuminating. If you can’t see the misguided, sheltered, and ignorant way he was writing, that’s unfortunate. I read his post, hoping for an apologetic, ‘I’m sorry and I want to move on,’, and yet got a ‘Party stole XYZ from me and its ridiculous’. He doesn’t get it, but you are ignorant for blaming him for this. I got an aim invitation today to join some sort of ‘Anti-Cheaters Rejoice’ chat. In my opinion, that’s [censored] ridiculous. ZeeJustin is making money for the many of the same reasons I am making money, and for many of the reasons you are making money. And when you have a venue where teenagers get idolized for a simple card game and turn down college and a chance to grasp a hold of fundamental principals by experiencing world experiences, ZeeJustin and JJProdigy are among the things you get.

-Jason Strasser

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STUEY - the call goes out for some super cool ZJ avatars.

[Silybum]

please send this to http://www.house.gov/goodlatte/