NL Bots on Full Tilt

[ipitythefool]

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One big thing you guys continue to miss is that all players had to send in ID's and utility bills to FTP in the beginning of the investigation.

All accounts were fully exonerated.



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They all go to one guy's house to play right? So... they all but one sent in utility bills proving they live somewhere other than the IP location their usernames are playing at. Wow, that solves it, no bots. Sounds like a couple of friends are getting a monthly kickback for using their names...

[DWarrior]

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Dwarrior, this just takes into account VPIP. I think the more relevent information here is the astounding similarities between every single stat (vpip being one of the least complex).

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But VPIP is the one that has the biggest sample size, and one most susceptible to botting, won't you agree? There were 3 theories being thrown: 1) two players just learning together 2) player using bots for PF and then taking over post-flop 3) bot playing almost exclusively with the player only jumping in in rare situations. Only #2 and #3 are illegal and involve botting, and the VPIP in both of these situations would be 100% determined by the bot pre-flop.

My test proves, with almost 99% certainty, that the VPIP of the four accounts in question was not the same, meaning that they did not have the bot playing them. Once you disprove this, doesn't the whole botting argument fall apart?

EDIT: I also suspect this GOF test would prove the same with every stat, but it's a bit tedious to do, and I think there is already enough evidence on this thread to prove that these guys do not run bots.

[Fat Nicky]

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They and the sites are counting on that, and that accounts for their arrogant refusal to do better.

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you're right and we have no choice but to accept and live with this fact, especially those of us that play for a living. fact of the matter is, i am willing to forgive ftp for a lot given the fact that they are sticking around for us US players.

[nlnut]

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Chuck,

Nice to see you again. I'll start off with this question -- Why do you suck at poker? I thought u said we were winning players....then i guess were horrible winning players

With very very extensive history between us, why did you let me keep reraising you for weeks without taking a stand?..... I will not discuss our strategy/reasoning for obvious reasons

Also, did Full Tilt completely exonerate your accounts or did they place you on some kind of monitoring or probation?

completely exonerated mine and my friends accounts

A picture of your play in pokertracker and pictures of the other three players can make this misunderstanding go away pretty quickly.

We already sent all ID's and address verification to FTP, If they need more info we will comply.

-Trebek

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[BrandonJoseph47]

Bad players go on tilt. When you're multi-tabling 8 or more tables, you CANNOT afford to go on tilt! I'm not sure why that is so unfathomable. You take a bad beat and shake it off. Discipline is one of the most important aspects of poker, and one hand shouldn't rattle you.

[DWarrior]

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(sigma) = squareroot( (sumation((x-change of x)squared) divided by n-1

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I have no idea what I am talking about... I was just excited to use that formula [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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Can you explain what (x-change of x) means? It sounds like the formula for standard deviation, except n-1 should also be square rooted.

[thirstyforwater]

Hey BrandonJoseph it would be cool if you could finally admit that you are one4thethumb

[BluffTHIS!]

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Dwarrior, this just takes into account VPIP. I think the more relevent information here is the astounding similarities between every single stat (vpip being one of the least complex).

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But VPIP is the one that has the biggest sample size, and one most susceptible to botting, won't you agree? There were 3 theories being thrown: 1) two players just learning together 2) player using bots for PF and then taking over post-flop 3) bot playing almost exclusively with the player only jumping in in rare situations. Only #2 and #3 are illegal and involve botting, and the VPIP in both of these situations would be 100% determined by the bot pre-flop.

My test proves, with almost 99% certainty, that the VPIP of the four accounts in question was not the same, meaning that they did not have the bot playing them. Once you disprove this, doesn't the whole botting argument fall apart?

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The onus is on you to prove that VPIP is both necessary *and* sufficient along to prove/disprove botting, and thus that there aren't one or more stats which are more indicative.

[nation]

not to mention if i have part of your action and i see you doing something stupid, i'm not going to want to chop profits with you anymore.

[BluffTHIS!]

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what part of it being a "system" don't you undestand. We created it together, and studied it together. And then we try to give each other advice during our sessions...all of this will create identical numbers...and all of this is allowed by FTP T&C

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DOESN'T EXPLAIN POST-FLOP. ANSWER THE [censored] QUESTION ADDRESSED TO YOU EARLIER ON THIS!

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you are absolutely retarded if you don't think it's possible for players playing a limit and level the exact same way to accrue the same stats by working together on postflop decisions, especially when they're playing right next to each other.

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And you are retarded if you think that they:

a) have worked out a book for a 1000 different situations involving different players, flop textures, turn and river cards and stack sizes;

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b) could even execute same with 99% precision if they did have that playbook.

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All,

Notice how nation and nlnut haven't come back *quick* with a response to the post-flop issue questions. If they have to "think about it" a while first the answer will be BS. Of course the quick answer is likely to be BS as well.