ZeeJustin the next to get caught multi accounting Party MTTs

[NanaAnna]

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Wait until your good friend comes to you with something unethical, but less than murder. See if you immediately race off to the nearest authority to turn him in.

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If they are stealing from me, then I would report them in a second, if not from me, 2 seconds.

[curtains]

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just to set the record straight i changed his title. I don't think it's wrong in the least, it's meant to be funny, and it is funny. Anyone that disagrees doesn't really have a sense of humor imo.

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It's wrong. You are a moderator.

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ZJ probably doesn't think it's very funny, and I think he's been punished enough by losing something like $100k and his reputation.

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Yeah although this isn't the reason I don't think the mods should do this. Can another mod please check in and let me know whether Im correct about this? I assume there is a certain code of conduct that mods are expected to follow once they are given the position, and I would also suspect that the "cheating" tag goes against this code of conduct.

[bocablkr]

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Is it fair to ask curtains (and others) how long/how much they knew about Zee and others multi-accounting? I certainly have absolutely no idea how much curtains, N 82 50 24, etc. knew or didn't know; but both of them seemed to be aware of what was going on before the knowledge became 'public' (which is indicative of nothing; both are friendly with him, and perhaps Zee both told them recently what was happening with Party -- and it's certainly possible curtains, N 82 50 24 WERE the ones reponsible for alerting Party, whether they admit it or not; or perhaps they just heard through the rumor mill; etc. etc. etc. In other words, there's lots and lots of way they could have known what was happening with ZJ without having kept the information private for a substantial amount of time).

However, I certainly think we could call into question the ethics of those who seemed to have some level of prior knowledge (again, I have no idea how much) but *didn't* alert Party, etc.

Again, this sounds like a witch-hunt; but it's somewhat common knowledge that some of the uber-skilled players here IM each other, have lots of contact outside of 2+2, etc. -- and I don't doubt curtains et al are completely sincere when they say they disagree with what Zee has done, and that they agree it's cheating, etc. But I think it's fair to question if some posters (probably a cadre of posters, who are again all friendly) have had some level of knowledge that Zee multi-accounts but didn't alert Party. Failing to alert Party (if they have known for months, for instance) is very unethical as well, despite the inclination not to "rat out" people we are friendly with.

I'm not claiming that out-ing their friend as a cheater was ideal (again, IF they had known Zee was multi accounting), but turning a blind eye to cheating (or not alerting Party) certainly cost some players money. I certainly would have to think long and hard before I turned in a friend to Party for cheating. I'd like to think I would, but not having been in such a situation, that's easy for me to say.

Perhaps I'm way out in left field here. My apologies to all if I am (and my apologies to curtains and N 82 50 24, who I'm sure I've unfairly singled out -- but curtains had the unfortunate luck of Zee mentioning his name as someone he consulted with, and N 82 50 24 has indicated he has 'known' something).

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I agree with most of this - but I think curtains, N 82 50 24, gbmantis and the rest are going to be tainted by this unless they come clean. If they really knew about this and did nothing then I have lost all respect for them. I would personally have done something about it - but then I must be one of the few honest people left.

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Wait until your good friend comes to you with something unethical, but less than murder. See if you immediately race off to the nearest authority to turn him in.

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If they are stealing from me, then I would report them in a second, if not from me, 2 seconds.

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I'm guessing you haven't had a lot of longterm friendships?

[William]

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The fact of the matter is, even if these guys play 2 or 3 accounts the likelyhood that they end up at the same table in a 500 player event let alone a 5000 player event is relatively small.

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But it's allright they get multiple shots at big prices? ie, they can survive bad beats several times, get big cards more often, etc... ?

[Gotmilk]

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I don’t think taking 100k of funds, which were earned through legit play, from ZJ’s account is a fair decision. One reason is that party will not be able to punish any of the other hundred or so players the same way.

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If he won the money with his scamming/changing names in high buy-in sit and go's, it was not a legitimate win. It was a clear cheat to the players who kept the same name as per Party Poker's policy and therefore were constantly facing a new player whom they had no information on, while Justin was able to play vs them with all the information he compiled. He admitted that was the exact reason why he did this, to gain this huge advantage. I really don't understand why more people aren't harping on this issue, because as a sit and go player, this is a much bigger issue to me than the multi-entering of multitable tournaments.

[Fnord]

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Yeah although this isn't the reason I don't think the mods should do this. Can another mod please check in and let me know whether Im correct about this? I assume there is a certain code of conduct that mods are expected to follow once they are given the position, and I would also suspect that the "cheating" tag goes against this code of conduct.

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David and Mason both come off as cold, blunt and brutally honest people. The forum reflects this.

[thedarknight]

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My point is more, that there is a monetary cost being paid. My more important point which i didn't communicate well, is I don't care if people do it that much in larger field tourneys cuz it pretty much only adds to the prize pool and nothing else.

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as i progress through each thread, your comments anger me more and more. are you a cheat too? if you are, just come out clean. The more you support ZJ's actions and say "it's ok" the more it seems you are a cheat as well. "It only adds the pool prize.." come on give me a break
If you got 3 handed against the same person at your WSOP tournament you won, would think it's ok?

[NanaAnna]

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Wait until your good friend comes to you with something unethical, but less than murder. See if you immediately race off to the nearest authority to turn him in.

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If they are stealing from me, then I would report them in a second, if not from me, 2 seconds.

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I'm guessing you haven't had a lot of longterm friendships?

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Not with with criminals I don't. I guess that's just me.....

[gurgeh]

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And you are abusing your power by doing what you did.

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So labeling a cheater as a cheater is somehow an abuse of power? Yeah OK....

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Ok and how about next he starts labeling bad players as "donkeys". Is that okay too?

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He can start by relabeling two of the biggest supporters of this action. Ron Burgundy gets the title "hypocrite." I don't mind so much the taking money from Party during the cruise fiasco, but the BS you posted was certifiable. You're not desperate to keep it if Party were to take it back and then you cashed out as soon as there was any word at all they might correct the error. Come on man, if you don't think that gets you a new title, you need to read the section of Poker, Gaming, and Life dealing with "How People Lie to Themselves."

Also add illegit as "village idiot" for writing two incredibly stupid, irrelevant, and inflamatory things in a single sentence. It's okay, he won't find this fact objectionable.

Still want moderators changing titles?

Seriously, there is little humor in the situation, and there is no utility in "labeling the cheater." We all know what he did. In case you didn't notice, there's a thread with 30498 views and 686 replies about it. The only thing this accomplished was to rub salt into the wound. If you believe that is the function of a moderator, you are entitled to that opinion, but don't tell us it's for the sake of keeping the rest of us safe. I don't need Penn and Teller to know that's a bunch of bull [censored].