ZeeJustin the next to get caught multi accounting Party MTTs

[Nez477]

I don't really get this one bit. I guess it's all about personality types, but good grief, we KNOW Justin is a world-class player, and his 'ZeeJustin' account results prove it. I mean honestly, the ZeeJustin account has had big wins on both Stars and Party. His ROI is ridiculously high, and he is making thousands of dollars a month, maybe more, playing poker, and he's what 19? 20?

If this isn't enough for him then that's really quite sad. Justin, you are prestigious, have your whole life ahead of you, are in the top 5 percentile of incomes for your age, such a bright future in poker, and you still feel the need to cheat. I think this says a lot about you.

Justin, your priorities are definitely in the wrong place. I mean, I can't say I looked up to you per se, but I was really impressed with your skills and your dedication to playing such fantastic poker so consistently. You've shown yourself to have an ego in different posts, but I would imagine I'd have an ego if I was as good as you too.

If we as poker players start caring about money more than the game, we become more than just poker players... we become a slave to the money, and I guess it makes us do things like this.

I do feel bad for those who feel that they have to cheat to get ahead in life, because it's those whose lives are actually quite empty.

Brad

[playerzero]

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party is being exceptionally [censored] sexual about this stuff, punishment should fit the crime and while i do think that there should be some punishment for this type of thing, nabbing all funds is a bit extreme

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They have to seize funds. No other punishment would be effective. If all people with multiple accounts had to worry about was losing access to their accounts, then what would stop them from simply reopening a bunch of accounts each time they got caught? The only punishment would be the hassle of opening new accounts again.

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I'm waiting for people that live together to get owned. then I am going to get really pissed off.

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Yeah, how do they prevent two honest roommates from getting screwed?

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People who are getting into trouble played on the same computer. Playing on different computers in the same house will require substantial review on the part of the site to prove any wrongdoing, as many roommates do play in the same tournaments at the same time. Transfer histories and other info should help the site figure out what is going on.

[jb9]

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The issue really isn't dumping. I'm confident that most people who entered tournies on multiple accounts don't do it with the hope or intention of meeting up and dumping chips. They just want multiple shots at the title.

It's the act of entering more than 1 account in a tourney that's cheating, and any chip dumping or altered-play that ensues is just incidental.

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I agree with your general point that entering with more than 1 account is cheating whether any chip dumping happens or not, but whether or not the person intends to chip dump, it would be a rare person who didn't if they found themselves in a situation where it was both very easy and desirable (e.g., both accounts at same table get heads up with slightly below average stacks about 3 hours into the tournament).

[ASanyasi]

<<Justin, you are in the top 5 percentile of incomes for your age, such a bright future in poker, and you still feel the need to cheat.>>

Have you considered the possibility that maybe he got all those wins (or atleast some of those wins) because he was doing it with multiple accounts ?

Eh, if I am 3 of the 10 people in a 200 STT, then I have a friggin good chance too of increasing my expectation. Wouldn't it be fun if the 3 people in the money is all you ?
LOL.

[Vuron00]

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Did anyone who played in the tourney JJ won get their money back?

If so, I could have a fair chunck of change headed my way from ZJ's accounts.

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Everyone who finished ITM in the tx that JJ won was moved up 1 place and payed the difference. Since there hasn't been mention of any specific tournaments regarding ZJ, I have no idea what might happen.

BTW Shove.. do you have your chat turned off on Party?

[MOMOwheeler]

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I'm waiting for people that live together to get owned. then I am going to get really pissed off.

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Yeah, how do they prevent two honest roommates from getting screwed?

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The satisfaction of the millions who DONT play on a router with a roomate is FAR more important than the few who do,...

Call me cynical, but I dont want to be playing against ANY 2 or more people who are on the same IP together.

[shaniac]

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I don't really get this one bit. I guess it's all about personality types, but good grief, we KNOW Justin is a world-class player, and his 'ZeeJustin' account results prove it. I mean honestly, the ZeeJustin account has had big wins on both Stars and Party. His ROI is ridiculously high, and he is making thousands of dollars a month, maybe more, playing poker, and he's what 19? 20?

If this isn't enough for him then that's really quite sad. Justin, you are prestigious, have your whole life ahead of you, are in the top 5 percentile of incomes for your age, such a bright future in poker, and you still feel the need to cheat. I think this says a lot about you.

Justin, your priorities are definitely in the wrong place. I mean, I can't say I looked up to you per se, but I was really impressed with your skills and your dedication to playing such fantastic poker so consistently. You've shown yourself to have an ego in different posts, but I would imagine I'd have an ego if I was as good as you too.

If we as poker players start caring about money more than the game, we become more than just poker players... we become a slave to the money, and I guess it makes us do things like this.

I do feel bad for those who feel that they have to cheat to get ahead in life, because it's those whose lives are actually quite empty.

Brad

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First off, ZeeJustin is not a world-class player. He's a great online player, and that by virtue of his talent in one specific area of online play (STTs and MTTs).

I agree, though, that it's a shame that the raw pursuit of money causes people to act unethically, but I think that's what it comes down to.

When the El Capitano scandal broke several months back, I felt I had to consider the nature of multi-playering and decide that either a) it's cheating or b) something i need to start doing myself.

I talked to many players about the practice of multiplayering and was quite surprised that most people didn't consider it blatant cheating, but rather some ambiguous ethical issue, where the people who were doing the multiple-accounting weren't perceived to be doing anything too wrong. For months, people told me that it's all normal, that the brave new world of online poker is one without ethics or boundaries. Although I never would try to regulate anyone else's sense of ethics, and I'd never drop a dime on anyone, I am secretly relieved that multiplayering has been clearly identified as a non-ambiguous method of cheating.

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<<Justin, you are in the top 5 percentile of incomes for your age, such a bright future in poker, and you still feel the need to cheat.>>

Have you considered the possibility that maybe he got all those wins (or atleast some of those wins) because he was doing it with multiple accounts ?

Eh, if I am 3 of the 10 people in a 200 STT, then I have a friggin good chance too of increasing my expectation. Wouldn't it be fun if the 3 people in the money is all you ?
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Justin has never put multiple accounts in a STT. I really don't even think it makes much sense to do that...

[KneeCo]

This explains why ZeeJustin has been pushing all week for the STT forum to be split. One forum for real poker players and one for cheaters. Makes sense to me!