Gun accidents? Guns are dangrous?

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But it seems like he was arrested for being a member of hate groups, which is illegal in the US.

Really? I didn't realize that. If you would be so kind as to provide a reference for that I will turn myself in, I'm sure I qualify as some sort of hater.

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Whatever, so I'm wrong, congratulations. In many countries it's illegal to be a member of a group which spreads hate propoganda and threatens people's lives.

Maybe this isn't true in the US, I wouldn't be surprised and I don't care. Maybe his group doesn't spread hate propoganda. He claims not to be hateful but he doesn't sound like a good person to me since his requests can have dangerous consequences (see Nazi Germany...no I'm not providing proof).

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Weaver has said, "I'm not a white supremacist. I'm a white separatist. I was born white. I can't help that. If I was black I'd probably be affiliated with Louis Farrakhan's group, but as it is, I don't belong to anything. I don't believe I'm superior to anyone, but I do believe I have the right to be with my own kind of people if I choose to.

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Somebody has to enforce some kind of laws to prevent people from robbing and hurting each other. What's a better deterrent, having a police force or giving everyone a gun and letting them figure it out on their own? Maybe there's some other option or compromise, I don't know.

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WTF? I'm not advocating "giving everyone a gun". Go buy your own, commie.

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Take it to an arbitrator. I never said you shouldn't. It's just that no reputable one is likely to agree with you.



Oh, I see how it works. You don't get to decide what my rights are, a "reputable" arbitrator does. I don't suppose that your definition of "reputable" is "one that agrees with pvn's point of view"? No, of course not.

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No court currently agrees with you mosdef, that's why you have to wait until your house gets shot to go to court. Or wait until your neighbor tells you "i'm gonna shoot your house you punk".

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Since no court currently agrees with me I am not allowed to try to get that changed?

How am I ever to know if the court will agree with me when pvn says "I don't think the arbitrator will agree with you so I am ignoring your demand to take me to the arbitrator"?

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He appears to have trained his 11 year old kid to attack US marshalls with a rifle just for coming on his property.



With good reason, as it turned out. Sometimes they really are out to get you.

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So yes, his family deserved to die in my opinion.



Wow. This is bordering on hate speech, isn't it? What did this guy do besides have a different opinion about things than you do? He didn't compel anyone to invade his property.

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I'm surprised that guy is getting any support on this board, but whatever, gun fanatics scare me.



People who think people who are different from themselves deserve to die scare me. It doesn't get much more fanatical than that.

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First of all, there was no training to kill police. His kid and a friend and their dog were out hunting cause they live in the middle of nowhere to get away from the crazies, when a bunch of masked camoflaughed men, the countryf version of men in black ski masks, popped up and opened fire killing their dog.

2nd, the courts agreed that the weavers were wronged and ordered the governemnt to compenstate.

3rd, supporting in any way shooting an unarmed woman in the head who is holding an infant in her arms is just plain evil.

Obviuosly america is doomed if so many people think it's ok for the government to execute people/families willy nilly.

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Okay, if this is what actually happened then I was wrong about Weaver. A 5 minute scan of wikipedia suggested otherwise to me (that his son initiated the conflict by shooting an agent). Regardless, he sounds like a creep and I don't want to read about him because his beliefs are depressing.

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Why? I am not a big fan of wasting my time every time some yahoo comes up with some crazy claim. Go to an arbitrator by yourself. You don't need me there. If your claim has merit, they'll notify me, I'm pretty sure. Have fun.

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So if I get an arbitrator, say the state for example, to agree with me that your gun is violating my rights and they come to you and demand that you give them your gun, you would smile and hand it over? I thought that the whole point of this thread was that you considered that to be a violation of your rights?

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Yeah,you really should.

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Why do you guys support this Weaver guy so much?

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I don't really "support" him as much as I oppose the government's actions.

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I feel like I'm missing something here. Tons of people die every day. I feel a lot worse about the people who died in the V-Tech shootings or the cops who were shot doing their job than the psychos on Ruby Ridge. So what? Do you feel bad when serial killers get the death penalty? I don't. I know that he wasn't that bad of a person, but if there's a line between law abiding and deviant he sounds like he was approaching dangerous nut job. I'm sure there have been tons of people in history who were less deserving of being shot than him.

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Translation: it's OK to shoot people I don't like.

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Take it to an arbitrator. I never said you shouldn't. It's just that no reputable one is likely to agree with you.



Oh, I see how it works. You don't get to decide what my rights are, a "reputable" arbitrator does. I don't suppose that your definition of "reputable" is "one that agrees with pvn's point of view"? No, of course not.

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No court currently agrees with you mosdef, that's why you have to wait until your house gets shot to go to court. Or wait until your neighbor tells you "i'm gonna shoot your house you punk".

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Since no court currently agrees with me I am not allowed to try to get that changed?

How am I ever to know if the court will agree with me when pvn says "I don't think the arbitrator will agree with you so I am ignoring your demand to take me to the arbitrator"?

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How is that preventing you from doing anything? Jeez.

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Why? I am not a big fan of wasting my time every time some yahoo comes up with some crazy claim. Go to an arbitrator by yourself. You don't need me there. If your claim has merit, they'll notify me, I'm pretty sure. Have fun.

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So if I get an arbitrator, say the state for example, to agree with me that your gun is violating my rights and they come to you and demand that you give them your gun, you would smile and hand it over? I thought that the whole point of this thread was that you considered that to be a violation of your rights?

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I said let me know. I didn't say I'm going to do whatever they say.

First find one that agrees with you, then we'll talk.

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2nd, the courts agreed that the weavers were wronged and ordered the governemnt to compenstate.


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Also, just one more thing to get off my chest before I go do something productive for society like playing poker.

I really do not care what the US courts determined in this case. That means nothing to me. Why should it? These courts found OJ innocent and McDonalds liable for millions of dollars due to hot coffee.

Soon they are going to find Virginia Tech liable for millions of dollars. This will increase tuition costs further (US is probalby close to highest in the world already) making it harder for poor people to get education. This money will go to mainly to blood sucking lawyers with some left over for greedy bereaving families.

I'd rather trust my own judgement of this guy. He sounds like a creep who couldn't live peacefully within society. No, his family didn't deserve to die (unless it was in self defense from police who were being shot at). But I don't think he deserves my sympathy either, because millions of nicer people are dying every day through no fault of their own. This guy should accept most of the blame for what happened to his family.

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Take it to an arbitrator. I never said you shouldn't. It's just that no reputable one is likely to agree with you.



Oh, I see how it works. You don't get to decide what my rights are, a "reputable" arbitrator does. I don't suppose that your definition of "reputable" is "one that agrees with pvn's point of view"? No, of course not.

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No court currently agrees with you mosdef, that's why you have to wait until your house gets shot to go to court. Or wait until your neighbor tells you "i'm gonna shoot your house you punk".

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Since no court currently agrees with me I am not allowed to try to get that changed?

How am I ever to know if the court will agree with me when pvn says "I don't think the arbitrator will agree with you so I am ignoring your demand to take me to the arbitrator"?

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You get an envelope in the mail. It says:

Please report to Shady Arbitrators, Inc in Siberia by 5:00 tomorrow morning to determine if you owe me $10,000,000,000 or not. kthxbai!

What's your play?