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[Lori]

I would not want to post in either forum if there was a split.
I would be stuck here helping beginners all day.
Although I enjoy helping beginners, it is sometimes nice to get involved on a higher level, but I'm not going to be doing that in some elite forum for the ten highest stakes players on the site because I don't want to put myself in the position where my arguments are automatically wrong because of the limits I play.
That already happens here to the point where I use PM for some ideas to avoid confrontation, it would be much worse in a forum where those were the only posts.

Lori

[suzzer99]

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I'm playing some $215s now, too! I ain't that robotic.. not anymore. I was when I first started 'em, sure [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Damn, my greenness was spotted.

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Right because you had to learn to switch from robotic to Gus Hansen to beat the $215s, right?

Why are you green? (I'm too lazy to go searching)

[ZeeJustin]

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Dude, for real, post an example. You say that hands don't get the discussion they deserve, therefore high stakes players don't post anymore.

SHOW US AN EXAMPLE

It's a totally crap argument until you can produce at least some evidence to support it.

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I've already stated why no result to this experiment will prove anything.

[bjb23]

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If you disagree with me, please explain one thing to me.

Why do you believe that the STT forum will follow such a vastly different path than the NL and LHE forums followed?

Why is there any reason to believe that a split won't have the same positive effect?

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I refuse to acknowledge Melch's are any one elses arguments from now on until a logical response is given to the post quoted above.

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well, i dont know exactly how those forums came about. im assuming it was a bunch of high limit posters that came together and said they wanted a separate forum for advanced analysis. so far, there have been maybe a couple people that are high stakes sngers that have openly spoken up that a new forum would be a good idea. you seem to think that all of a sudden there will be a second coming of advanced posters that will feel the need to explore the depths of sng theory and beyond. where is their presence now??? where is your presence?? is it really THAT humbling for you to make a post among "commonfolk"?

im not that opposed to seeing another forum i guess. i mean, it wouldnt bother me, but i just dont see the necessity for it at the moment. why does it have to be all or nothing? why cant you just post hands here without a separate forum and see how it goes. there are still lots of people who read this forum whom you may deem semiqualified to respond to your posts, arent there?

[tigerite]

Well no. But I mean, when you move up from the $55s, it's almost all robotic down there at Party anyway. So you don't have to have different gears or whatever, to get a respectable ROI. So it's been a general adjustment to the $109s which then moved on to the $215s also. I might not be the most "ingenius" player sometimes, but I at least try a few things out now and again. Usually donk it up, but hey.

[Lori]

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This just shows that you guys don't know what you're talking about.


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You only come here when you're trying to sell rakeback, how the hell would you know?

Lori

[jeffraider]

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Damn, my greenness was spotted.

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Nice!! Congrats man, you're a great choice for mod!

[Melchiades]

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Bobbyi already adressed that.

"All of these forums we have now were added over time because in each case there was an active, vocal core of players who wanted to post there. Nobody said "gee, if we add more LHE forums, maybe new posters will appear out of nowhere to fill them up". The community for each forum already existed. I don't think that is the case with a high-stakes STT forum now."

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Well the community already exists.

I don't know how to argue against you guys when you are contradicting yourselves.

Lori is saying that the problem is that this community already exists, and you are saying the problem is no such community exists. This just shows that you guys don't know what you're talking about.

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This community exists. This community of some high stakes posters, lots of midstakes and a zillion of lowstakes posters. It exists. There does not exist an "active, vocal core of players who wanted to post there" (high stakes posters). You are vocal in this thread but have not been active for ages. Degen fits the bill, but he is hardly a community of his own. There is not 15-20 active high stakes posters here saying they need a new forum. There is a couple and some promise of new posters that will come once the forum is created.

Oh, and post a hand.

[ZeeJustin]

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I would not want to post in either forum if there was a split.
I would be stuck here helping beginners all day.
Although I enjoy helping beginners, it is sometimes nice to get involved on a higher level, but I'm not going to be doing that in some elite forum for the ten highest stakes players on the site because I don't want to put myself in the position where my arguments are automatically wrong because of the limits I play.
That already happens here to the point where I use PM for some ideas to avoid confrontation, it would be much worse in a forum where those were the only posts.

Lori

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Your position is slightly unique, but a lot of low stakes posters feel they don't want a split because the have a question and answer forum set up where they ask if they should push AK in an $11 hand, and people like Curtains answer.

Have you ever thought that people like Curtains would rather discuss hands for the limits they play? You're saying I'm being greedy, but I think it's the low stakes posters that are being greedy.

[bobbyi]

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If you disagree with me, please explain one thing to me.

Why do you believe that the STT forum will follow such a vastly different path than the NL and LHE forums followed?

Why is there any reason to believe that a split won't have the same positive effect?

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I refuse to acknowledge Melch's are any one elses arguments from now on until a logical response is given to the post quoted above.

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We are the ones who are trying to convince you that STT should follow the same path as the other forums that got split. They only got split when there was an active community who was posting threads every day and asked for a new forum for their threads. Right now, there is no active community of high stakes SNG players doing that in STT. Melch said "why not try to create one and then ask for a split", which would be the path that the LHE and NLHE forums took and you are refusing. We did not split forums into two when one of the new "halfs" was completely inactive in the old forum. It doesn't make sense.

You are saying that twoplustwo should take the "if you build, they will come approach" and hope that if a HSTT forum is added, there will be a blosomming of high stakes SNG threads where now there are very few and that is fine, but it is most certainly not the path that every other forum split took, as you keep asserting. I am also still having trouble understanding the claim that tons of people who post on MTT now will come over to STT if it is split and that they simply refuse to post in the STT forum because it mixes all buyins together. It doesn't make much sense to because the MTT forum itself is not split by buyin and they have no problem making that their "home" now.